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No "morning after" pill for rape victim
Arizona Daily Star | Submitted by: anonymous
"Although it is safe, effective and legal, emergency contraception - the morning after pill - can be hard to find in Tucson. After a sexual assault one recent weekend, a young Tucson woman spent three frantic days trying to obtain the drug to prevent a pregnancy, knowing that each passing day lowered the chance the drug would work. While calling dozens of Tucson pharmacies trying to fill a prescription for emergency contraception, she found that most did not stock the drug. When she finally did find a pharmacy with it, she said she was told the pharmacist on duty would not dispense it because of religious and moral objections."
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From: blackmagic [Blackmagic]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 04:41
If they were going to have some sort of objection to their job then they shouldn't have been in that job in the first place. Fucking christians.
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 04:53
That's great news! I have religious and moral objections to paying my taxes.
From: ferret [Honkey Kong]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 05:10
 hours before the rape, THE SAME EXACT PHARMACIST probably refused to sell the rapist condoms due to religious and moral objections yup, irony can be pretty ironic sometimes
From: canadagirl78
[God, make me chaste. But not yet.]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 05:14
IMO, if there are two or more pharmacists on duty, one can have all the objections they want. If there is only one on duty, objections can jump up their ass, do your fucking job and give out the pills. This case is literally enough to make you want to puke if you know a rape victim.
From: poontang [footlong]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 05:47
smells like bullshit... bitch got drunk bitch got fucked bitch sobbered up bitch didn't like the mayonnaise sliding down her legs to fuckin' bad if you don't go to the cops and report it right away...now the whole fuckin world knows about it...so much for the guilt and all the crap
From: krazymissi [krazy missi]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 06:13
They had NO moral objections to a woman that was raped possibly being forced to carry the child of her rapist?
From: followtheriver [L.]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 06:57
I wonder if that pharmacist has a wife or daughter. If they were raped, I bet his "religious and moral objections" would change in a hurry. Its things like this that really make me hate christian men. Why go into a business dispensing drugs if you're going to refuse certain ones to people who need them? People are fucking stupid.
From: ogrotten
[rotten og]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 07:07
"We have all kinds of compassion for a rape victim - in that case, Plan B is OK, the church has no problem with it," said Ron Johnson, with the Arizona Catholic Conference," Hypocritical Christian f@ggots, how typical. If you believe abortion is murder why is it okay to execute the unborn baby for the father's crimes? This just proves Christian fundies don't want to stop abortions. These bilbe nazis want to limit a women's right to sex by making abortion legal only when a woman doesn't consent.
From: weewilly [Wee Willy]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 07:50
Hey,is this the 21st centuary or what? Where are victims rights or womens rights in Arizona? I do hope its the exception to the rule. Anyway im glad for my daugher that we live in Europe. Such hypocracy just doesnt happen here.We dont have the amount of unwanted teenage pregnancies here as you have in USA, with maybe Great Britain being an acception.
From: canadagirl78
[God, make me chaste. But not yet.]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 08:02
From: krazymissi [krazy missi] Date: 25-Oct-2005 06:13 They had NO moral objections to a woman that was raped possibly being forced to carry the child of her rapist? Of course not. Don't you know that baby is more important than her? They do. And that's exactly what this jackass told her when he refused to give her medication. Fucking assholes.
From: spacedcadet5555 [dick]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 08:17
I don't want to pay for no stupid woman's rape baby. the morning after pill should be mandatory after every date.
From: doczzz [dwarf fusion]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 08:31
It don't matter. JAYZUS is coming! If you love the LORD, you'd be abstinent anyway. She probably brought this on herself by dressing like a harlot. Cheney in 2008!
From: bloodzombie77 [Bloodzombie77]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 09:16
these fucking Christian pieces of shit! Of course they don't want the baby to be aborted, because rape babies are often aggressive and born with mental problems...they would make the perfect soldier in the republican's oil-domination army. Fuck these assholes....you don't see any of them willing to adopt rape babies, do you? "No, don't abort it!....wait...what?! Of course I don't want that crack baby in my family, I'm not willing to take care of it, I just don't want it killed so it can live a poor upbringing in a violent neighborhood so it may one day become an inmate at my local jail, that my tax dollars pay to feed and clothe." I've said it a million times and I'll say it again....take your fucking rotten-ass bible and shove it back up your ass where it came from!
From: rti451 [Slaughter His Sheep]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 09:52
I wonder if the clerk at the local WalMart will refuse to sell her a wire coathanger or a shop vac because of religious and moral objections.
From: sbeane
[Sawney]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 10:02
The refusal to dispense a drug (regardless of how INSANELY STUPID the reasoning - as in this case) IS the right of the pharmacy OWNER. However, unless the pharmacist on duty actually OWNS the store, he should be fired on the spot for not selling the drug (I'm assuming the owner DIDN'T have objections to the drug, or it wouldn't have been stocked in the first place). The problem with the law is that it protects WORKERS who have moral objections to things that their company sells. Sorry, but it should be the store owners' right to fire employees who refuse to sell the product. If you have some moral objection to it, go work somewhere else. If it's the store OWNER who refuses to sell the drug, well that is their right, too. That's what the free market is for - so if one moronic pharmacy owner refuses to sell something where there's a demand, someone else will open up a competing pharmacy that will sell it (and hopefully the first moron will go out of business). The question is, why did all the OTHER pharmacies not have the drug. The answer is probably either litigation, government bureaucracy, or EVERY store is owned by fundies. If it's the latter, then time to vote with your feet.
From: venatius [Squid]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 10:18
Imagine if everything could work this way. "Hello, 9-1-1 emergency. Unless you're black, because as a KKK member I have ethical objections to helping you." "Sorry, but as a Jehovah's Witness, I can't perform this blood transfusion on you due to ethical objections." "As a member of NAMBLA, I demand you honor my ethical objections to not porking your six year old son." Either accept 'em all or reject 'em all, can't have it both ways.
From: mongolman [Em Bee]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 10:21
I have moral and religious beliefs that say Christians should be fed to lions. They were so much cuter when they had to congregate in basements.
From: mrzbritt81 [mrzbritt81]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 10:32
FUCK that pharmacist right in the ass, how the hell could you deny a rape victim emergency contraception. In essence, these kind of incidents could raise the suicide count. Shit, I'd rather die than have a rapist's baby. Who needs a daily reminder of what happened to you? Women who choose to keep the rapist's baby are constantly reminded of what happened to them, and that puts the kids' in harms way by subjecting them to child abuse or neglect.
From: mongolman [Em Bee]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 10:34
"He felt he was making every attempt to help her get what she needed. A pharmacist would never just say 'you're out of luck,'" How about filling the fucking prescription?? I think this sort of behavior by employees is insane, and should be grounds for dismissal or worse (lawsuit). However... How many times did this stupid bitch screw up? 1. Gets "accidently" locked out of a party. Right. 2. Accepts an offer from a stranger to sleep at his place. 3. Does not report the assault. 4. For some reason is not told that Planned Parenthood will cut her a deal. I count this as her fuckup because, well, that's just how things seem to be going with this story. How long would this baby last if she carries it to term? Of course, the whole rape story could be made up to get the pharmacy to comply with her request. It just seems fishy to me.
From: bigmiker73 [Fat mikey sez Hello]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 10:59
sbeane said If you have some moral objection to it, go work somewhere else. If it's the store OWNER who refuses to sell the drug, well that is their right, too. That's what the free market is for - so if one moronic pharmacy owner refuses to sell something where there's a demand ------------ Which is exactly why I've never understood why jesus freaks are included in the GOP. Business isn't here for morals and social causes .. it's here for share holder returns. The only time "morals" are included in the equation is when being moral sells more product. Kinda like how banks solicit home loans to illegals. They don't give a rats ass what society thinks.. so long as their shareholders get a good return
From: fitandhappy [Fit]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 11:11
most women don't report incidents of rape until some time after they happen if not at all. so tha'ts not really worth pointing out as unusual.
From: sbeane
[Sawney]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 11:18
To counter venatius's message, there is a difference between discriminating against a person and not selling a product. Discrimination violates equal protection under the law and is ILLEGAL. NOT selling something to someone does not violate equal protection (especially if they equally don't sell to anyone). The NAMBLA argument doesn't wash because sex with minors is also illegal. Also, 9-1-1 and blood banks are presumably run by the government and therefore would be REQUIRED to provide ALL legal services/products to EVERYONE even if the public sector has no such requirement. Again, I DO NOT defend the pharmacy OWNER'S decision to not sell specific drugs, just their right to do so. Do you believe a feminist who owns a magazine shop should be FORCED to sell nudie mags that she feels is degrading to women? Should a vegan who wants to open a restaurant be FORCED to sell meat? What about my 1st amendment right to view porn? Or my right to eat chicken? These are all legal products, too! Obviously, the vegan restaurant and the magazine shop DO NOT have the right to not sell to minorities as I explained above, but if you think it's OK for government to force the pharmacy owner to sell something he doesn't want to, but not the restaurant or drug store owner, then you are a hypocrite. If you think it's OK for government to force ALL the stores to sell things they don't want to, then you fit the definition of fascist (believing in full government control of privately owned business).
From: sbeane
[Sawney]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 11:28
Response to bigmiker73: You're absolutely correct. It's called capitalism. It may sound like greed, but as long as there is plenty of competition, it provides for the most prosperity, opportunity, and products at the cheapest prices. It also has the effect putting out of business those morons who charge too much or don't adequately provide a needed service/product (such as idiot pharmacists). BTW., I know plenty of democrat "jesus freaks". A pastor of our church is one. Higher taxes? Tougher gun laws? A "living" wage? Socialism? It's what JESUS would have wanted!!
From: mysticmommy
Date: 25-Oct-2005 11:53
It shouldn't matter if this woman was raped or if it was consensual and she just didn't use any protection, or if the condom broke, or her diaphragm slipped, or whatever. Emergency contraception should be available on demand, over the counter! It might prevent a few abortions. It might prevent some children from being killed after they are born, from being beaten, molested and abused. The pharmacist should have to the RX. But the way to avoid those issues is to make the MAP available over the counter. The medication is as safe as birth control pills (in fact it is the same medicine as birth control pills)for women under 35 that don't smoke. And those over 35 that do smoke, it is still safer to take the MAP than give birth.
From: bongcraft [meh]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 12:13
way to go christians, we really need more illegitimate trailer trash kids in this country to add to your ranks! This pill has personally saved my life once before - it was actually pretty easy to obtain here in Washington. Sucks for the girl, as always. Now let's listen to the rightwing deuschebags blame it on the girl for getting raped:
From: will [william]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 12:19
Just like the time I went into the pharmacist and told them I urgently needed some arsenic to kill my wife. That dammed christian told me it was against his beliefs! DO YOUR FUCKING JOB goddammit! If you aren't prepared to sell the stuff people need why did you become a pharmacist?
From: sumproduct [fishrakes]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 12:34
He he... doesn't this kind of shit make a mockery of all that Christian fundamentalist stuff? I say if Pat Robertson is such a radical pro-lifer, then he should come unload his hefty paycheck on this sorry girls bastard offspring. I'm sure junior rapist will be well looked after, cuz Pat has that look that tells you he just loves them kiddies. And when bastard rape-child grows up, he can join his fellow degenerates in the Catholic church - so he too can rape at will, and have a wonderful support network to move him to new pastures every time his 'little indiscretions' are rumbled. I love church. Its the only place you can go to make yourself feel worse about yourself and actually revel in the fact you do it. Shit, I can do that visiting my dad, and he doesn't even rape me. America needs babies dammit, for sacrifices and stuff!
From: sbeane
[Sawney]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 13:12
"I didn't see the word "Christian" anywhere in that story." Thanks for pointing this out, aulduron. You people seem to be quite gleefully using this story as an excuse to bash Christians. While the pharmacist probably is Christian, he could just as easily be Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, or any of the other numerous religions that are anti-choice on abortion. I'll remind you that most of the countries that have unrestricted or near-unrestricted access to abortion are predominately Christian. Also, even if the pharmacist is Christian, how do you know he's not a Reverend Phelps follower? That nut-job certainly does NOT speak for most Christians, and certainly not ME. The "I hate all Christians - they're all bad" mentality that pervades this forum reminds me of the "I hate all blacks - they're all bad" mentality of the Klan. I do agree, though - put your money where your mouth is: if you don't like abortion, give more money to adoption agencies or adopt a baby yourself!
From: mysticmommy
Date: 25-Oct-2005 13:55
There is a big yellow truck at the old lady's house across the street from mine. It says "EAGER BEAVER TREE SERVICE--WE TRIM TREES AND HANDLE ALL KINDS OF LOGS AND WOOD" Just thought I'd share.
From: mcgyver [Steve]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 13:57
The pharmacist was probably the asshole who raped her and just want to fuck with her a bit more by not selling her the contraceptive.
From: parasite6163 [peter fine]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 14:07
this pharmacist's moral beliefs don't go with his so called religion. he should live and let live and mind his own fucking inbred business. fucking hypocrites scare me away from religion. sad but true. thank god i have god and not a bunch of lying scammers at a church that don't practice what they preach.
From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 14:53
My My, this one touched a nerve hasn't it? I do agree with the sentiments expressed here by the majority. To the Cheney in 2008 poster: Only if he's out of jail by then. Treason is a major offense. Turning out a covert CIA agent is Treason.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 15:15
this pharmacist's moral beliefs don't go with his so called religion. he should live and let live and mind his own fucking inbred business. fucking hypocrites scare me away from religion. sad but true. thank god i have god and not a bunch of lying scammers at a church that don't practice what they preach. Which so called religion is he? My My, this one touched a nerve hasn't it? I do agree with the sentiments expressed here by the majority. To the Cheney in 2008 poster: Only if he's out of jail by then. Treason is a major offense. Turning out a covert CIA agent is Treason. So is selling long range missile techs to China, but nobody went to prison for that.
From: ikthool [ikthool]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 15:53
I wonder what other drugs this guy objects to.This will be a non-issue soon,thanks to the new bush packed supreme court sex without intention to conceive will be illegal for all non republicans,and those making less than 6 figures a year.Jesus must be proud.
From: theworldismine [bwhahahahahah]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 16:00
yeah so expected of people you dont agree wth abortions but dont consider the victim- say you wouldnt care for the child but you expect someone else to? and people that say this dont even have children so they have no Idea of the responsibility and the work it takes rape victims have dreams and fuures also and that shouldnt have to be taken away from them because someone has an opinion on abortion them those same fuckers want to complain about population growth and how were using up the worlds resources....blah blah blah ppl just want attention and drama shoot em all...or just rape them all.. see how they like that shit
From: elastic [here goes my2cents]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 16:05
Rolling Around Please take me in Enough of the cold This is the last time He'll ever... Enjoy me Free night Under him Calling out Kickin Erase the memory Release Say it was a rape hahahahaha that bitch is fishy how did she get "locked out" ever heard of a phone people? yaeh right she knows she wanted it and now shes trying to blame the guy and he wasnt even mentioned it was just a big ass lie to cover up her slutty ways...
From: theworldismine [bwhahahahahah]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 16:09
lmao elastic.... maybe but if it was a real rape then no store employee should refuse because of beliefs if they sell the drug then, damnit give it to her wtf that person needs to be fired employee rights my ass I woulda went back there and got that shit and put money out on my way ... fuck all the bs ppl nobody knows until youve walked in my shoes
From: stingeykitty [Kitty]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 16:10
What about my 1st amendment right to view porn? I'm sorry sawney but in America bush says porn is 'bad' didn't you know he's trying to eradicate the 1st amendment?
From: theworldismine [bwhahahahahah]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 16:22
aulduron [Aulduron] Date: 25-Oct-2005 15:15 hey ur the best..... but the world is still MINE...hehehe
From: gordy [gordy]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 16:25
the baby is more important than her. The girl is already tarnished and fucked up.. getting herself raped and knocked up. She's probably wrecked. ..but that baby. It's a clean slate. A blank. An INNOCENT.
From: theworldismine [bwhahahahahah]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 16:29
love you gordy so right but who will care for the innocent... surely not the fucked up mom
From: rottenaugratin [Rotten au Gratin]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 16:48
Fuck that cocksucking holier than thou moron mutherfucker!!! find that pharacow, hang him by his balls and assrape him with a fucking 5" diameter pipe, then ask him how he enjoys being raped and oh by the way you get to RELIVE IT every single fucking day for the next NINE MONTHS at which point you will have a leg iron attached for the next 18 years. ENJOY COCKSUCKER.
From: username [user]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 16:54
This is all bullshit. You don't get pregnant from sexual assault, but you do from being raped. This woman is obviously in need of deeper help, than a pill can give her. Bullshit story and all lies; unless sperm have learn to fly. Get down from me, you filthy creatures, stop crawling up my leg! I'm being assaulted.
From: monsieuracadien [MonsieurAcadien]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 18:41
Do Pharmacists have to take the Hippocratic Oath? They should have to. Imagine you were lying on an emergency room table and the ER doctor refuses to help you because he has a moral issue with people inserting strange objects in their rectum.Who's gonna get it out? Some Godless intern?
From: dragon [DrunkenTigerStonedDragon]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 18:56
All you really need is a good upper cut to the gut.
From: just82ndpat [Me myself and I]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 19:00
From: bloodzombie77 [Bloodzombie77] Date: 25-Oct-2005 09:16 these fucking Christian pieces of shit! Of course they don't want the baby to be aborted, because rape babies are often aggressive and born with mental problems...they would make the perfect soldier in the republican's oil-domination army. Fuck these assholes....you don't see any of them willing to adopt rape babies, do you? "No, don't abort it!....wait...what?! Of course I don't want that crack baby in my family, I'm not willing to take care of it, I just don't want it killed so it can live a poor upbringing in a violent neighborhood so it may one day become an inmate at my local jail, that my tax dollars pay to feed and clothe." I've said it a million times and I'll say it again....take your fucking rotten-ass bible and shove it back up your ass where it came from! Lets see, I was unaware that genetic engineering had allowed us to predict what qualities a baby would recieve from the father and not the mother. But I can see that it was applied just a little to late in your case. Damn you George Bush.... why must bloodzombie suffer when you could have stopped all this!!! So when do you get shipped out the the Gulf?
From: julezeebub [jules]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 19:18
So how did she happen to contact the Star to share her tale of woe, (what with feeling so guilty and all)? Since pregnancy tests work really quick these days, I'm assuming she isn't pregnant anyway, or that would have been a main part of the story. I hope she decides to be more careful. Young women don't know the power they have. I refer to the power to decide who gets to continue their bloodline. A rapist can get you pregnant, but he can't force you to have his baby (unless maybe he kidnaps you and keeps an eye on you til you give birth.) (Or unless you live in a country where women are totally oppressed.) Maybe I should say women who live free get to decide about their progeny. Pity too few women consider this. Why should a rapist or an incestuous manipulator get to continue his line? Forget the innocence of the baby, for a second. Get out your old biology book and look up dominant genes. Better yet, read Sherry Tepper's "The Gate to Women's Country". I've never felt oppressed enough to become a feminist, (besides I hate "ist" words)and she can be a little heavy-handed that way, but this is one good book.
From: bellamorte [Is that blood or lipstick?]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 19:28
Yet, I'm sure the Pharmacist had No FUCKING PROBLEM selling Viagra, Cialis, or Levitra to single men... Nice double standards, guys!!!
From: guntotingliberal [GunTotingLiberal]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 19:29
Krazymissi said just what I wanted to: From: krazymissi [krazy missi] Date: 25-Oct-2005 06:13 They had NO moral objections to a woman that was raped possibly being forced to carry the child of her rapist? The morning after pill is little more than a strong dose of the birth control pill that pharmacist, I am willing to bet here, dispenses everyday for a nice profit - many times a day. The morning after pill IS NOT RU486. I have a moral objection to morons being allowed to graduate from Pharmacy school.
From: bonevalleyalco [Harvey Henkelman]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 20:37
That pharmacist should've been kicked to death with steel-toed boots. Kill the christian
From: naeramarth [boredom kills]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 21:53
Rape him. Rape his wife. Rape his daughter. Then deny him the pills. See how holier-than-thou he is after that.
From: rockspin [Dopeman]
Date: 25-Oct-2005 22:07
From: username [user] Date: 25-Oct-2005 16:54 You don't get pregnant from sexual assault, but you do from being raped. Huh?
From: melvin69 [John Bong]
Date: 26-Oct-2005 01:34
A 2004 survey of more than 900 Arizona pharmacies found less than half keep emergency contraception drugs in stock, with most saying there is too little demand, but some cite moral reasons, according to the Arizona Family Planning Council Pay attention to the bold words, not all had anti-abortion in mind. If there is a low demand, they're not going to stock something that collects dust. Yet, family-planning agencies say they've seen a 60 percent increase in demand for the drug in recent years Beward percentages, 16 people wanting them is a 60% increase over the previous 10 (for example).
From: runway150 [Sick Azorean]
Date: 26-Oct-2005 02:03
Arizona is so fucked up I wont even fly a plane over it in my flight simulator.
From: will [william]
Date: 26-Oct-2005 03:27
Yep people should be willing to put their money where their mouth is - all those who believe that workers should just do what they're told and leave their morals behind when they go to work, should cough up half their income from now on so that those of us who have morals don't need to participate in the workforce from now on. Just listen to you compassionate souls... string him up by the balls... assrape him? He doesn't have any special obligation to her. You can't force people into entering transactions they don't want to. Why is this man the object of your loathing for his act of ommission - not even something he did to her? It would be just as sensible to turn your vitriol on all the pharmacists who didn't work late that day. All the ones which didn't stock the pill. All the shopkeepers who opened cafes instead of pharmacies. etc. If he swore a Hippocratic oath, he would hardly be administering ABORTION pills would he? The hippocratic oath involves swearing to preserve life, not destroy it. And finally, get your bloody facts straight, people. Selling weapons technology to China is not treason, because China is not an enemy, right? Outing a secret agent is probably not treason either, unless it is done for the benefit of someone with whom the country is at war.
From: americandisease [AAMS]
Date: 26-Oct-2005 04:48
WOW! america is really a fckup country. Somebody nuke that shithole before the christian talibans bring the world to the stone age.
From: mysticmommy
Date: 26-Oct-2005 05:08
"A 2004 survey of more than 900 Arizona pharmacies found less than half keep emergency contraception drugs in stock, with most saying there is too little demand, but some cite moral reasons, according to the Arizona Family Planning Council" Morning After or Emergency contraception is plain old birth control pills, given 3 or 6 at a time, depending which brand of pills you use. I have a hard time beleiving that pharmacists don't stock those brands of birht control pills. I spent 4 years running a women's health center and we had several patients everyday come in for emergency contraception. We gave it to them in the office, or called in a pack of pills to the pharmacy, and gave the PATIENT instructions on how to take them. The pharmacist didn't even know that the pills weren't simply for daily dosage birth control. The thing is that this should be available OVER THE COUNTER. No Pharmacist involved. If a store owner doesn't want to stock it, then you can go to another store.
From: multianimus [Many-Minded]
Date: 26-Oct-2005 05:58
hey, um... what if i worked over at the drugstore down the street... not in the pharmacy, but in that little section where they have the alcohol. now say that i had certain religious and/or moral objections to selling beer, telling people that its the potion of the devil or some other such shit. you know, itll turn you into a demon and whatnot. now you come in, wanting some beer. ill tell you that you can get it at another store way out of your way, but that i cant sell it to you. even though its right there on the shelf and you have good money. id fuggin get fired for not doing my job and for losing the store money. bottom line, if its on the damn shelf, and shes got money, sell it to her, dammit. whether its pills, beer, porn, or a damn bunch of bananas. why should she hafta drive out of her way to some other store which might have a decent pharmacist in it, but probly wont? and i dont care whether the pharmacist was christian, muslim, or scientologist. hes an asshole any way i look at it.
From: mysticmommy
Date: 26-Oct-2005 06:48
Well, I totally agree that the pharmacist is an asshole. Probably some control freak that gets off on being able to say "No".
From: mysticmommy
Date: 26-Oct-2005 06:59
"If he swore a Hippocratic oath, he would hardly be administering ABORTION pills " First of all, Emergency Contraception is NOT the abortion pill! Abortion pills are a totally different thing. Abortion pills are RU486, and it is used after a pregnancy has been confirmed. Emergency contraception has to be taken within 72 hours of when sex occurred. It is 2 totally different medications. Second, if the pharmacist has moral objections to it, then why not to Oral contraceptives, and depo provera? These are things a pharmacist dispenses to prevent pregnancy.
From: will [william]
Date: 26-Oct-2005 11:54
Emergency contraception can indeed abort a fertilized egg, especially if not taken immediately after the incident. Therefore a moral objection could apply to dispensing the morning after pill which does not apply to contraception.
From: mysticmommy
Date: 26-Oct-2005 13:11
Regular birth control pills and depo provera shots, and norplant, and IUD's can also do the same thing. It doesn't always prevent ovulation, sometimes fertilization does occur, but the birth control pills make the uterus an "unhospitable" environment, and keeps the fertilized egg from implanting.
From: inhalien [Chevy Chase]
Date: 26-Oct-2005 13:36
The uterus IS an inhospitable environment.
From: crawlspace [crawlspace]
Date: 26-Oct-2005 17:46
People who do shit like that should be arrested for...pharma-malpractice. it is NOT a fucking pharmacist's place to decide what medication a patient is or is not to receive. that's why we fucking have doctors. fucking douche bag.
From: justanamerican [justanamerican]
Date: 26-Oct-2005 19:14
I know this isn't directly about the article, but I feel like posting anyway. In my research, I have read that the Plan B pill can prevent fertilization or implantation of a ferilized egg, depending on how far along a woman is in her cycle. The FDA defines pregnancy as implantation--perhaps there is a biological reason for this? Doesn't a woman's brain signal that a pregnancy has occurred only when the egg/embryo attaches itself to the uterus? I just don't understand how some pro-life activists can compare EC to abortion. Concerning the article: Whether or not this woman was raped isn't the question. But the last thing a rape victim needs to hear is that the pharmacist has "moral/religious" objections to dispensing EC. Women shouldn't have to shop around for it.
From: 8soft [Chest Ironslab]
Date: 26-Oct-2005 22:18
Something that seems strange about this story is that she seems more upset at the pharmacist than the guy that assaulted her. Shouldn't she be warning the neighbors and the police department that there is a possible rapist in their community?
From: lookins [hank]
Date: 27-Oct-2005 09:02
religious reasons!!! moral reasons??? shut the fuck up Mr pharmacist! you are not a priest, your a fuckin pharmacist do your fuckin job and fill precriptions the doctor writes, if you have objections go into another line of work like a t.v. evangelist or something you self rightous assbag. maybe if the morning pilol had been availbale you would not be here to spew your crap.
From: will [william]
Date: 27-Oct-2005 12:44
WoW! Nothing drives people into a red hot spitting mad fury like a principled man insisting upon acting according to his morals. I guess it is because most of us craven worms have compromised our principles so often because it is the path of least resistance, that whenever someone of stronger backbone rises above the mud and reminds us that it is not the only way to live, we have to confront our guilt and our responsibility for the state of the world around us - and we just don't like that. We can't stand to be shown up - we want to drag everybody down into our own dreary acceptance of all the daily shit we've resigned ourselves to swallowing.
From: involved [none]
Date: 28-Oct-2005 20:31
In response to this issue: I am actually a very close friend to the woman who was raped. She was drugged with some sort of GHB or roofies, and on top of that has other pre-existing health issues. The rape not only traumatized her but put her in a nearly catatonic mental state. She is in NO condition to bear a child. She came to me because she didn't know what else to do; I am one of the few people she has trust in. I am the one who contacted the newspaper, not she, because it was I who did the majority of the calling and the running around trying to help her get EC. She was more concerned with getting EC and recovering from the injuries than anything else. I was so upset, contacting the news media was my outlet; it was my alternative to beating down both the rapist and the pharmacist. I did not want this to happen to anyone else. I wanted to kill the man who raped her, and I wanted to severely injure the pharmacist who would not dispense the medication. The girl who was raped did not want to go to the police as much as I tried to convince her, because she did not want to be subjected to questioning, poking, prodding, and being forced to relive the experience and possibly having to testify in court and be examined and cross-examined by lawyers. Also, it is interesting that all (or nearly all) of the people responding to this assume the pharmacist was a man. In fact, it was a woman who would not dispense this prescription (just an interesting observation to people’s reactions). Finally, in response to the person who wrote this: “Rolling Around Please take me in Enough of the cold This is the last time He'll ever... Enjoy me Free night Under him Calling out Kickin Erase the memory Release Say it was a rape hahahahaha that bitch is fishy how did she get "locked out" ever heard of a phone people? yaeh right she knows she wanted it and now shes trying to blame the guy and he wasnt even mentioned it was just a big ass lie to cover up her slutty ways...” You are an idiot. If she was just trying “to cover up her slutty ways”, then WHY would she TELL ANYONE??? No one knew that it had happened. No one would have known if I didn’t seek out the media (with her permission, after a small amount of time had passed). People like you are the reason why most rape victims don’t file a police report. Many don’t ever tell another person. What if I drugged you, then forced a hard object that could possibly be infected with deadly diseases in your anus, throttled you with it, injuring your back and pelvis to the point that you could barely move, while you are wafting in and out of consciousness and telling me to stop, and I beat you inside with this hard object beyond the point of making your opening bleed. How would you feel if someone said “You know you wanted it. You’re just trying to cover up your slutty ways.” Literally, LITERALLY, I want to beat you to a barely living pulp, you bastard. And if I went to jail for that, I would be proud. And I would hope someone would tell you that it was your fault, that you wanted to get beaten up but were trying to cover it up by telling everyone that it happened. By calling someone who gets raped a slut, and saying it is the girl’s fault, you are also committing a sexual assault, albeit of a lesser tort, and I hope karma delivers.
From: will [william]
Date: 29-Oct-2005 02:38
You're no bloody better. Listen to your own hate-filled, violent rhetoric. You want to severely injure the pharmacist?! Try to understand, the pharmacist didn't do anything to the victim. The pharmacist had no special obligations towards the victim. The pharmacist can enter into a transaction or not as they choose, just like any other person. The pharmacist is no more to blame than all the other pharmacists for not being open that night, or for not stocking the drug in the first place. Just how many of them do you want to severely injure? Or is it just this one lady who incurs all your ire because she was acting on principle? Do you want to severely injure the planned parenthood clinic? No, I expect they get off because they were merely negligent and incompetent, it is principle which really singles this pharmacist out as a target isn't it.
From: lollercaust [Lollercaust]
Date: 29-Oct-2005 07:20
How moral is making moral decisions for someone else against their will?
From: will [william]
Date: 29-Oct-2005 12:19
Who did that? If you're a peacenik, you might not sell bullets to gangster. You're not making a moral decision for them. You are making your own moral decision.
From: marandi8 [Marandi]
Date: 29-Oct-2005 20:31
I've only seen a couple of people address the fact that the morning-after pill is NOT RU486. This conflict is not an issue about rape or abortion; it is about control! Within the 72 hours that a woman has in order to take the morning after pill there is no baby, no fetus, no embryo; it is a zygote: a little bundle of cells. The pill merely forces an onset period; a flushing of the uterus, if you will. There is NO PREGNANCY! Now, another reader mentioned that the MAP could cause abortion if taken too late and implantation has occurred. Well, that is a risk of pharmacopoeia and human error. There are a number of ulcer meds, hair loss meds, and acne meds that do the same thing. This is why all drugs come with instructions. Remember Thalidomide? That drug in the 70's that was working miracles for mothers with morning sickness? Remember the deformed Thalidomide babies? That very same drug is now called Propecia and is for hair loss in men which is why the commercials say "Women should never take the pill or even handle broken tablets!" RU486, or Mifepristone, was actually a medication that did wonders for ulcerative conditions of the stomach until they realized it caused violent contractions of the uterus. And Accutane (acne med) isn't prescribed without a pregnancy test and a recommendation to start birth control pills. My point is that ALL medications have desired and undesired effects. The world of pharmaceuticals will never be flawless and totally understood by humans. The morning-after pill is not an abortive drug therefore there is no room for a moral debate. Given that ANY drug COULD be used inappropriately, if a pharmacist is allowed to refuse to dispense based on "moral objections" who is to say that he cannot object to dispensing other meds with equally devastating side effects? I agree that the Morning-after Pill should be available over-the-counter BUT I am a proponent of making it a Schedule VI which means that it will only be dispensed in a regulated amount, with a customer's signature and with brief private counseling from the pharmacist. This is necessary in order to keep 14-year-olds from taking their allowance to the drug store and royally f*cking up their fertility for the rest of their lives.
Updated: 31-Oct-2005 00:32
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