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Hallelujah!
MSNBC | Submitted by: Jessie
"The Rev. Ted Haggard admitted Friday he bought methamphetamine and received a massage from a gay prostitute who claims he was paid for drug-fueled trysts by the former head of the National Association of Evangelicals."
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From: g20fun
[chrisinfinity]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:06
With all that activity I bet he was looking a little haggard. If he was the top person in the gay sex, would that make him Rider Haggard?
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:09
Remember: the louder they denounce gays, the gayer they are.
From: daftmonkeyminion [of Bertrand Russell]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:18
Does somebody have insomnia...? wonderfulmonkeyminion's opinion on homosexuality Humanity has no need for feminine males or masculine females. These identity assumptions are abbreviated anyway. Whether it is arguable if the universe is in need of humanity, it's still pertinent to assert that humanity's propagation is dependent on the basis of hetero, not homosexuality. The homosexual is a systemic anomaly. The homosexual is genetically aberrant. Without the necessary physiological response heteros are capable of, the copulations of homosexuals is feigned and contrived. They are that which should not have been. They are unnatural, and should be studied so science can effect a cure. There had to be an explanation why humans would lust after the same genitalia they themselves possess. How can appeal be sustained past the contempt of over familiarity? This is why I will never understand queers. Haggard is just another typical phony. Christians are among the worst people in the world, if you ever get to really know them. The floor is now open to rebuttal. Haggard's buttal was open to home invasion.
From: daftmonkeyminion [of Bertrand Russell]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:20
Cool observation, g20fun! I preach to exemplary students!
From: tricky359
[Patricia]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:28
I found the cure for insomnia in an herb called 5HTP. Now all we need is this "christian" shaking his finger, "I did not have sex with that man" Oh for shame!
From: noodleboy
[Abstract Aardvark]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:34
From: tricky359 [Patricia]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:28
I found the cure for insomnia in an herb called 5HTP. ... I've discovered a way to push myself into a terrifying manic state that mostly eliminates my desire for sleep during the times when it is socially-acceptable to lay down to take a nap. It is also called 5HTP. Of course, I've been taking about 3x the recommended dosage for a couple weeks now for just that purpose, but hey. [It also helps the come-down from a night of doing E -- or so I'm told, not having any experience with that sort of thing myself...]
From: brazilrascal [F. Jardim]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:42
Wow! Who'd imagine that after being fake small-government defenders, fake free-speech advocates, and fake humanitarians, religious conservatives would also be sexual hypocrites? Haggard could, if he had any integrity at all, have come out in defense of his orientation still as a man of faith and done a lot to reduce the pain of who knows how many closeted people in his congregation. He chose to condemn them with fire and brimstone while secretly indulging in the same thing he pretended to abhor. Oh, and -daftmonkeyminion-...nice going on the moral absolutism. Never mind that there is no gay gene identified as of yet (something many gay bashers point out when saying it's a choice and not natural): you obviously like the term "genetic aberrations", so why not use it? You're probably the one guy that read X-men comics growing up and thought that the mutant holocaust-cravers were the good guys. ;) Homosexual behavior is present across literally thousands of other species than mankind. Given nature's penchant for weeding out actively harmful traits, you'd think that it'd be long gone now...-if- it was harmful. Who knows what socoetal effect it has; I'm not going to speculate beyond an educated guess: it probably dillutes sexual anxiety among the male population. Hell, let's go to the Fountain of all wisdom, the Rotten Library: http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/homosexuality/animal-homosexuality/ questions? anyone? bueller?
From: daftmonkeyminion [of Bertrand Russell]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:54
The anus doesn't naturally lubricate. I stand by my rant. Regardless that homosexuality is prevalent throughout nature, IT'S NEVER MEANT TO BE! In any mass production system, there are always bound to be flaws. Systemic anomalies. And what the fuck is an "X-men"? Your assumptions are flimsier than mine!
From: daftmonkeyminion [of Bertrand Russell]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:56
I wasn't trying to be "morally absolute". Morality has nothing to do with purpose. That which is without worth is worthless.
From: goofyarkie [clueless]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 05:11
I have to agree with theallseeingear, the louder they condemn homosexuality, the more you can bet they know what jizz taste like.
From: shittingbull [Bullshit]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 05:13
Foley+Haggard=Faggard It wasn't meth, is was super-duper-jeezus power-powder.
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 05:15
>> "it's still pertinent to assert that humanity's propagation is >> dependent on the basis of hetero, not homosexuality." And propagation is similarly unserved by celibate priests, asocial geeks, and other non-bumpers of the uglies. Shall we 'cure' them too? But worse than being unhelpful, we have the contraceptive devices that actually INHIBIT reproduction. Surely we should destroy the condom factories before we get around to curing the gays. And this is all based on the assumption that reproduction is the one and only goal, the determiner of morality. The assumption that nothing else a person can do is of any value. An assumption that monkeyminion has never justified to us.
From: noodleboy
[Abstract Aardvark]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 05:17
From: daftmonkeyminion [of Bertrand Russell]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:54
...
And what the fuck is an "X-men"? Your assumptions are flimsier than mine! I believe "X-men" refers to the XXY chromosomal abnormality, also known as Klinefelter's syndrome, which leads to this sort of ting: 
From: mrmonkeybutz [thomasc]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 05:27
Oh God ... this is rich! I laugh my ass off every time I see this guy on the news. He says he purchased the Meth because he was "tempted and curious". Sorry folks, Meth isn't a drug you're curious about, it takes alot of steps to get there, say maybe all night homosexual rage romps on X, Drinking and Bone smoking Binges, or a Nascar weekend at my redneck neighbors place.
From: gargoyle1
Date: 4-Nov-2006 05:50
Colorado Springs is a decent city in a very beautiful setting. Too bad it's Full of assbag fucktard Xtian fundamentalists. Maybe the normal people of the springs should rise up and burn all those xtians at the stake and drive them out of what could be a great place to live. Wonder if this religious freak has been hiding any tools in his rectum?
From: maidenmaiden
[whatever]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 05:53
Noodle- PLEASE say you really know what the X-men are! Bavid- Good answer! I couldn't care less what consenting adults do in privacy, but let's not act like homosexuality is normal. Something has gone wrong, either genetically or socially, to produce coupling that would eliminate the race. Some of the friendliest, smartest people in the world are gay- with the state of over-population we are in, it may even be helpful. But it isn't normal. Acceptable, yes. Normal, no. Some animals eat their young. Animals are NOT good role models!
From: sgrannel
Date: 4-Nov-2006 06:00
From: shittingbull [Bullshit] Date: 4-Nov-2006 05:13 Foley+Haggard=Faggard It wasn't meth, is was super-duper-jeezus power-powder. _______________________________________________________________ Super-duper-jeezus power-powder? LMAO! I will call it that from now on. This is worthy of being added to the list of slang expressions, like Santorum.
From: lordpakul [Lord Pakul]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 06:31
What's this? Ted Haggard had a tool in his rectum? What Ted Haggard looks like:  What a tool looks like: This is all very confusing.
From: dipshitloser [andy]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 06:37
Christianity is homosexual. Here is why In a traditional family, it is usually children's duty take care of elderly parents, as is still the norm in most of the world today. Children who have their own children are heavily burdened because they must care for their own babies in addition to their parents. A parent can ensure their retirement is easier by having homosexual offspring. They have no children themselves, so it is easier for them to take care of their parents, and in many areas of the world, transexuals are valued in various guilds and can bring home good income for the family. There are also many public postions where it is looked on as favorable to have someone who cannot have children, because the public wants someone unbiased towards their own offspring. Christian homosexuality is based on the ancient Greek version of homosexuality, where the act is often practiced in a pederistic sense, as one where power is wielded over others in a same sex environment. After Christianity was introduced, taboo was used to separate the straight population from gays, and the practice was confined semi secretly to the clergy. Being gay was a ticket to power and a better life. This probably has some bearing on why modern western homosexuals are frequently alienated from their families. Note that non Muslim Asian homosexuals stay connected and continue to support theirs. Modern western homosexuals continue to isolate themselves in elitist sort of groups, like the fashion industry and segments of conservative organizations. It is likely that in more Christian times, these individuals would probably have found success in a Christian clergy.
From: dolph
Date: 4-Nov-2006 07:51
The guy is a hypocrite. I fucking hate hypocrites.
From: kingnot [Ben]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 08:13
I love the jokes possible: "By their FRUITS, ye shall know them." "FRUITS of the Gawd" "Rev FAGgard"
From: ltjackboot
[name]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 08:20
this isn't rotten. it's just another politician/priest druggie story. I've had more rotten stories turned away this past week.
From: teratomarty
[Self-made man]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 08:20
Humanity has no need for feminine males or masculine females. I don't care if you think humanity "needs" us; we're here and we have as much right to exist as anybody. For that matter, with 6 billion plus people depredating the Earth, I don't think we really "need" breeders, either. Anyhow, I'm gainfully employed in the effort of finding cures for pediatric heart disease; who does humanity "need" more: a flamer doing his bit to stop crib death, or a pair of alcoholics shitting out another kid to get taken away by the state each year? I usually respect your opinion, DaftMonkeyMinion, but you're way off here.
From: madonna [kelly]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 08:31
OSLO (Reuters) - The birds and the bees may be gay, according to the world's first museum exhibition about homosexuality among animals. ADVERTISEMENT With documentation of gay or lesbian behavior among giraffes, penguins, parrots, beetles, whales and dozens of other creatures, the Oslo Natural History Museum concludes human homosexuality cannot be viewed as "unnatural." "We may have opinions on a lot of things, but one thing is clear -- homosexuality is found throughout the animal kingdom, it is not against nature," an exhibit statement said. Geir Soeli, the project leader of the exhibition entitled "Against Nature," told Reuters: "Homosexuality has been observed for more than 1,500 animal species, and is well documented for 500 of them." The museum said the exhibition, opening on Thursday despite condemnation from some Christians, was the first in the world on the subject. Soeli said a Dutch zoo had once organised tours to view homosexual couples among the animals. "The sexual urge is strong in all animals. ... It's a part of life, it's fun to have sex," Soeli said of the reasons for homosexuality or bisexuality among animals. One exhibit shows two stuffed female swans on a nest -- birds sometimes raise young in homosexual couples, either after a female has forsaken a male mate or donated an egg to a pair of males. One photograph shows two giant erect penises flailing above the water as two male right whales rub together. Another shows a male giraffe mounting another for sex, another describes homosexuality among beetles. BURN IN HELL One radical Christian said organizers of the exhibition -- partly funded by the Norwegian government -- should "burn in hell," Soeli said. Laws describing homosexuality as a "crime against nature" are still on the statutes in some countries. Greek philosopher Aristotle noted apparent homosexual behavior among hyenas 2,300 years ago but evidence of animal homosexuality has often been ignored by researchers, perhaps because of distaste, lack of interest or fear or ridicule. Bonobos, a type of chimpanzee, are among extremes in having sex with either males or females, apparently as part of social bonding. "Bonobos are bisexuals, all of them," Soeli said. Still, it is unclear why homosexuality survives since it seems a genetic dead-end. Among theories, males can sometimes win greater acceptance in a pack by having homosexual contact. That in turn can help their chances of later mating with females, he said.
From: madonna [kelly]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 08:36
by gargoyl Colorado Springs is a decent city in a very beautiful setting. Too bad it's Full of assbag fucktard Xtian fundamentalists. Maybe the normal people of the springs should rise up and burn all those xtians at the stake and drive them out of what could be a great place to live. ------------------------------------------------------------- There are no sane ppl in Colorado Springs - true a pretty city on the slopes of the ROckies, but all people there are possessed and brainwashed. It is infected with religious fundamentalism and hard-core army base mentality! Is there any saint left in the city of sin? I suggest they run away if they are!
From: dickhead [I'm just better, than you]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 08:36
Christianity is purely a female religion. Any man hanging around Churches are either: a) Looking for some ass b) Looking for some boyish ass C) Looking for some ass that's done more than one missionary work.
From: wiegehtesdir [Jimmy Jingo]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 08:50
I really have always hated these phonies..... bible thumpin' with hop-assed smiles telling you how to live.... Fuckin' hipocrites like Bush!
From: lordpakul [Lord Pakul]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 09:18
This story makes Jimmy Swaggart cry. 
From: thelurker
[I lurk in the shadows]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 09:24
Ok here's a question. Who really gives a shit why some people are sexually attracted to members of the same sex?? It's a fact that they are. Just like some people have red hair. It's not the main part of this story anyways. This story is about the hypocritical church.
From: nomdeplume [NomDeGuerre]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 09:38
A hypocritical evangelist? Say it ain't so! He needs a good dose of what-they-did-to-Alex-in-Clockwork-Orange. (What is it that makes so many Americans fall for these shitheads anyway? Something they put in the water?)
From: studgerbil
[Stud]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 10:12
This is a great story for lots of reasons, not the least of which is the timing. Confess people: who knew this guy's name a week ago? Anyone? Now, all of a sudde, he's "a top religious advisor to President Bush"? Sure he is. With all the justified criticism of Bush over the last 6 years, you'd think this guy's name would come up a few times in an off-year election,right? Never happened until now, a week before the elections. Some Democrat paid this guy to out the preacher just to score political points, and that is all she wrote. Fuck him, the President, the male hooker and the Democrats and the press. Fuck everyone involved with making this a story. BTW - which is worse: a preacher having gay sex, or a representative in COngress having gay sex, or a representative hitting up on an underage page? A: Depends on the letter after their name, and the letter after YOUR name, assholes.
From: udontknow [Jack]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 10:12
Bill Clinton: "I didn't inhale" Ted Haggard: "I didn't swallow" Why can't they have the Rapture already?
From: melty [melty]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 10:30
studgerbil, Haggard has been a prominent figure in the evangelical Christian scene for quite a while. Much like Dobson of Focus on the Family (also based in Colorado Springs...), he holds significant political and religious influence over tens of millions of people - much of them voters. Just because you didn't know of him doesn't mean nobody else did either.
From: kwc [Go Cats!]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 10:33
Hey. I guess a 49 year old Gay prostitute has been around a bit Old and wrinkly I guess.
From: kwildcats [Go Wild Cats!]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 10:34
Hey I guess I'll still have a job at 49.
From: nomdeplume [NomDeGuerre]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 10:53
Fred Phelps hates Ted Haggards.
From: ordinaryidiot [thevillageidiot]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 11:17
Hypocritical religious FuckNut this "man of god" is.
From: lhohen [Trey LaTrache]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 11:29
Madonna wrote: "Still, it is unclear why homosexuality survives since it seems a genetic dead-end." The majority (75%) of my gay friends are fathers. Growing up, they were forced into the closet, got married to women to "fit in" with society, had some kids, and later in life when they couldn't take it anymore, they stopped living the lie and come out of the closet. This is how homosexuality has survived. The genetic cause of homosexuality has been passed down generation after generation by gay men who were forced into the closet by a hateful society. If society would embrace homosexuals instead of scorn them, gay men would no longer be forced into having sex with women and passing on their genes, and after a few generations, homosexuality would be gone from humanity.
From: diamonion [poop]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 11:35
when you call a gay prostitute for a massage and buy some meth off him, how can you NOT smoke it and fuck him?
From: daredevil [CameronVale]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 11:38
Well stated daftmonkeyminion........and this moralizing hypocrite is a shitbag of the 1st order. And this lyric by 'Queen' is cetainly appropriate when addressing a turd such as he: (Death on two Legs) You suck my blood like a leech You break the law and you preach Screw my brain till it hurts You've taken all my money And you want more Misguided old mule with your pig headed rules With your narrow minded cronies Who are fools of the first division Death on two legs You're tearing me apart Death on two legs You've never had a heart of your own Kill joy bad guy big talking small fry You're just an old barrow boy Have you found a new toy to replace me? Can you face me? But now you can kiss my ass goodbye Feel good are you satisfied? Do you feel like suicide? (I think you should) Is your conscience all right Does it plague you at night? Do you feel good feel good? You talk like a big business tycoon You're just a hot air balloon So no one gives you a damn You're just an overgrown schoolboy Let me tan your hide A dog with disease You're the king of the 'sleaze' Put your money where your mouth is Mister know-all Was the fin on your back Part of the deal? (Shark) Death on two legs You're tearing me apart Death on two legs You've never had a heart (you never did) of your own (Right from the start) Insane you should be put inside You're a sewer rat decaying in a cesspool of pride Should be made unemployed Then make yourself null and void Make me feel good I feel good sorry for the long post. Like the swaggart pic too. (another shitball)
From: nomercy4u [ROD]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 12:39
i to seen haggard preach at church and he grabbed me by the organ
From: hippie [not hippie]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 13:11
Ha ha!! Another stupid hypocritical preacher get's busted! Props to the gay dude who "outed" him - after probably hearing the fucker rant against queers and druggies and/or promote "sex within marriage only". Preacher boy got what was coming to him.
From: udontknow [Jack]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 13:15
In the words of former Morality Czar William Bennett, "Hypocrisy is better than having no values at all." The National Association of Evangelicals represents a political constituency that has been staunchly Republican in recent years. In 2004, according to exit polling, 78 percent of white born-again evangelical Christians voted for President Bush, and 72 percent voted for the GOP candidate for House. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/4310428.html
From: insineratehymn [Spontaneous Christian Combustion]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 13:26
What a blow this will be to the Republican Party demographic Out with Republicans, and out with fascist, right wing religion (killing two birds with one stone)
From: sirmalek [greatmalek]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 14:15
I still wonder something why do tell call meth a gay drug while u can last hours fucking with any girl better than viagra i tell what :p even do i stopped using meth without any rehab or anything a year ago i still miss the hours i lasted fucking with girls
From: assgasms [A$$gasms]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 14:42
Waitaminute... What if ALL evalgelicals/republicans are closeted homosexuals? 
From: gobbleguru [Scott]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 15:05
These so called 'Evangelists' make me sick. The holier-than-thou pompous bullshit never ends. I come from central Texas, one of the epicenters of hypocrisy where these proficient liars flourish. Let's see...he bought meth but didnt use it, he called a male gay escort (repeatedly) but only had a massage. His wife and kids should be proud. So should 'Dr. Dobson' who stated there was no way possible any of the accusations were true and that this was 'political'... just in time for elections. Pres Bush should be proud for having him involved in weekly conference calls to the Whitehouse. All of these Focus on the Family, Moral Majority pieces of shit make Westboro Baptist look at least honest.... Please note the website of the NAE has disabled the 'contact us'. My sincerest hope is someday the tax free ride these people have ends....i hope this Haggard shithead has everything short of AIDS.
From: nomercy4u [ROD]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 15:12
the tweaker preacher fairy hopes that gays dont marry then there will be plenty of tweakin fairies
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 15:13
I don't know why all youse guys are picking on this fine man. He was merely following his own advice that he laid down in his book "Primary Purpose: Making It Hard for People to Go to Hell from Your City". Why don't you buy a copy today? ...yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of meth, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; the prod of thy staff they comfort me.
From: metalballs [fourtwenty]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 15:19
I once dated a "Jehovah Witness". She was a freak. She wanted it anyway she could get it, and then try to convert me afterwards. I finally told her straight up: I'm a long hair wearing, weed smokin', beer drinking, freedom lover individual, who's been around too long to change. Metallica and Slayer were my anthem back then, so I let her know. Then we broke up. But I got the pussy, so is all good!
From: lordpakul [Lord Pakul]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 15:19
Pastor Ted says "... It's written in the Bible." Video clip (after the commercial, of course): http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12318129/site/newsweek/?bcpid=261087150&bclid=296748463&bctid=296748480 
From: username3 [username3]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 15:26
I feel sorry for his wife and kids. They must have idolized their father and some slime bucket took him down. I think people are missing the big picture here. Haggard was seduced by a professional gay man (Jones) for political gains, by the Democratic party. To be used as propaganda against the Republicans. Why release a week before elections;instead of waiting until after? We need to find who turned him on to Haggard and why? This could have happened to anybody, just ask the guy who went after the page boy. This is sex plot that has been planned years in advance to discredit the Republican party and get democrat President in office for 08. THis is high conspiracy affecting out hight electoral office; the Presidency.
From: lordpakul [Lord Pakul]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 15:27
And, this dictum of Jesus is in the Bible, too: Matthew 23:27 -- Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 15:36
From: username3 [username3] This could have happened to anybody I have never, and I will never... call up a male prostitute to get some meth to make my wee-wee hard so I can pork him up the butt. Something about that whole thing (hole thing?) makes me want to vomit. That this is a timed event? Quite possibly. Bully for the male pro. That it could happen to anybody? Maybe you, but I think I'm safe from "temptation".
From: nomercy4u [ROD]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 15:48
dont buy weed from speed freaks amen
From: ordinaryidiot [thevillageidiot]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 16:00
If I were the preacher I would of spent the money he used for the male prostitute/meth on ordering a pizza (from Pizza Hut mind you) delivered to my church office and a keg of beer and call it a hoopla on the church pew.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 17:24
The whore failed a lie detector test when asked about sex. He was probably buying the dope to bribe choir boys to keep their mouths shut.
From: x0ny [( ^_^)]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 17:30
Do members of the clergy just pick on boys? or is it girls too? Cuz every story I've heard is about molesting boys.
From: useless2society [Useless II Society]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 17:50
http://www.americanfilms.com/play.cfm?clipid=244&kw=meth See what happens when you do meth. George Clooney -> Mr Bean
From: useless2society [Useless II Society]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 17:59
 http://www.americanfilms.com/play.cfm?clipid=244&kw=meth God Bless America! The Land of the Meth!
From: sgrannel
Date: 4-Nov-2006 19:24
From: daftmonkeyminion [of Bertrand Russell] Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:18 ...Humanity has no need for feminine males or masculine females... ______________________________________________________________ Mencken says: "Human creatures," says George, borrowing from Weininger, "are never entirely male or entirely female; there are no men, there are no women, but only sexual majorities." Find me an obviously intelligent man, a man free from sentimentality and illusion, a man hard to deceive, a man of the first class, and I'll show you a man with a wide streak of woman in him. Bonaparte had it; Goethe had it; Schopenhauer had it; Bismarck and Lincoln had it; in Shakespeare, if the Freudians are to be believed, it amounted to down right homosexuality. The essential traits and qualities of the male, the hallmarks of the unpolluted masculine, are at the same time the hall-marks of the Schalskopf. The caveman is all muscles and mush. Without a woman to rule him and think for him, he is a truly lamentable spectacle: a baby with whiskers, a rabbit with the frame of an aurochs, a feeble and preposterous caricature of God. And woman, without some trace of that divine innocence which is masculine, is too harshly the realist for those vast projections of the fancy which lie at the heart of what we call genius. Here, as elsewhere in the universe, the best effects are obtained by a mingling of elements. The wholly manly man lacks the wit necessary to give objective form to his soaring and secret dreams, and the wholly womanly woman is apt to be too cynical a creature to dream at all.
From: engineer2323 [Mike]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 19:28
Trials are a part of the Christian faith and have been since JESUS went into the desert alone without food and water and faced the multiple temptations of SATAN! Reverernd Haggard is to be commended for facing his temptations head on in such a Christ-like manner. He allowed this male, homosexual prostitute to place his hands on him so he could face his temptation and reject it, which he did. While he was being massaged with warm oil by the large, strong yet soft hands of SATAN's servant, he prayed. He said "LAWD, please allow me to resist SATAN and his sins of the flesh! Let the warm, honey-suckle scented oil being poured on my back on into my ass crack turn to wine. Let the hot, rigid flesh of the penis of SATAN's servant turn to bread as it presses against and enters the hungry orifice of my fundamentalist opening. Have mercy LAWD! LAWD have mercy!" Friends, the good reverend subjected himself to this unholy temptation over and over again for three long years simply to prove that the good LORD is stronger than SATAN. Likewise did he subject himself to the DEMON methanphtamine to prove the LORD's glory! All praise the LAWD! All praise the good Reverend Haggard and his three years in the desert of Sodomy and Narcotics! My friends, the good Reverend needs your support and assistance if he is to continue the battle the DEMONS of hell. Please send your contribution of $25 or more my check or credit card today, before the DEMONS win.
From: udontknow [Jack]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 20:55
From: aulduron [Aulduron]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 17:24
"The whore failed a lie detector test when asked about sex. He was probably buying the dope to bribe choir boys to keep their mouths shut." Wonder what would happen if Haggard took the same lie detector test? From: username3 [username3]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 15:26
"I think people are missing the big
picture here. Haggard was seduced by
a professional gay man (Jones) for political gains, by the
Democratic party. To be used as propaganda
against the Republicans." 
From: prettysneaky
[pretty sneaky]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 23:06
The Most Rev. Ted Haggard Debauchery by: prettysneaky69 (53/Someplace in Ahwatukee AZ.) 11/05/06 12:42 am Msg: 179712 of 179714 Evangelical dismissed amid sex scandal HE PAID $1,300 PER "Massage" SESSION Tax exempt church donations paid for this and the drugs I don't care what Religion you belong to, Hindu~Buddas~Jew~muslim~christain~etc. They get your money, to support those assholes. Allows em to get richer and richer. I've said it before. I'll say it again; My God doesn't need any money! Do you want me to say it again? Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer Evangelical shady~eyes  Evangelical tv 
From: jaynedoe [Jayne Doe]
Date: 4-Nov-2006 23:42
Socks. I have yet to see a tree or shrubbery produce beautiful, cotton-polyester blend, crew socks. As opposed to full cotton blends that appear all the time. I content socks to be unnatural and have no place with humanity. Therefore we must burn all socks and rid ourselves of this impure and immoral taint upon society. The human toe does not naturally lubricat...er I mean naturally clothe itself. So shall it not equally be covered with heathen textiles. We were not born with socks. We shall die equally the same! A fiery condemnation will be the fate of all socks!! Burn the unnatural, burn the heretic! (sock that is)
From: dadofautism [*****]
Date: 5-Nov-2006 01:48
why spend all that money on an old hooker, he could have got himself some young stud. Seriously, fuck this guy, and his church, and Colorodo. Why do you think South Park is so rude? Because they have to put up with assholes like Haggard. Someone post a pic of big, gay, Al please.
From: why
[Because]
Date: 5-Nov-2006 02:55
"Haggard, 50, on Friday acknowledged paying Jones for a massage and for methamphetamine, but said he did not have sex with him and did not take the drug." Uh, Yeah. Right. Okay. Here's what he could have said if he had wanted to sound a little more plausible: 'Well, My wife has really long fingernails and heavy calluses on her palms so it hurts when she massages my back after a hard day of preaching the Gospel but Mr. Jones has such soft, soothing hands.' 'I only bought that Methamphetamine because his price was so low I could have turned a major profit reselling it to the Harlots at the truck stop down the street.' 'I know in my heart that that's wrong but Jesus needs the money so badly I couldn't help myself.' He's spooky looking and he's a friend of the head janitor of the White House? Be afraid. Be Very afraid.
From: gypsydances
[gypsy]
Date: 5-Nov-2006 05:27
The statement from the 14,000-member church said the investigation would continue to determine the extent of the misconduct. The Rev. Mike Ware of Victory Church in Westminster, a member of the board, declined to characterize what investigators found but said the board did not talk to Jones. A 14,000 member church? First time I heard of this so called evangelical Christian, but then I don't listen to evangelists. Haggard had resigned two days earlier as president of the National Association of Evangelicals, where he held sway in Washington and
condemned homosexuality He condemended homosexuality and then received a massage and bought methamphetamine from one. Jones also said Haggard snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience but has denied selling drugs. He agreed to take a lie-detector test Friday; the administrator of the test said the answers about his sex allegations “indicated deception.” Whether Jones is lying or not, Haggard still admitted to associating with the kind of people he condemned. Next he will say that he was uncontrollably attracted to a gay person because he was 'raped' early on in his life by an elder of what the HELL ever church he went to, and his experience traumatized him. What gets me is that it was a 14,000-member church, and not one... NOT ONE of his pulpit puppets are surprised. Sheep..how fitting.
From: kurari
Date: 5-Nov-2006 08:44
Still, it is unclear why homosexuality survives since it seems a genetic dead-end. I hate this fallacy because it's so incredibly stupid, it's enough to make your brain hurt. Yet, again and again, people including biologists and geneticists keep trotting this incredibly idiotic reason out in all seriousness. Look, it's not a gigantic leap of logic that just because a guy prefers to have another guy swallow his magic baby juice doesn't mean that the juice won't work when combined with an egg. Look at Haggard. Fag's got five kids.
From: jngljim [JIM]
Date: 5-Nov-2006 09:13
Ok I got to jump in w/ a question. Why is is that gay men are for the most part wanting to be feminine and dikes try to be like a man? Hmmm talk about confused identity. I would think that if you were a gay female you would be more attracted to a really feminine woman, thus the attraction to one's own sex. Personally fuck or suck what ya want just don't take it to a political level and get special treatment for your sexual desires. That's chicken shit, hell most dikes I know are more manly than some construction workers..lol.
From: hhholmes [Herman Mudgett]
Date: 5-Nov-2006 09:33
The Romans were right, feed the Christians to the lions. The world will be a better place. So many Christians, so few lions.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 5-Nov-2006 09:35
Ok I got to jump in w/ a question. Why is is that gay men are for the most part wanting to be feminine and dikes try to be like a man? For the most part, they're not. They just happen to be the only gays you can tell by sight. There are far more gays than you seem to think.
From: lordpakul [Lord Pakul]
Date: 5-Nov-2006 11:08
Satan did it! "It's a political ploy by Satan himself and his minions to try and take the focus off the real issues of the election..." http://www.gazette.com/display.php?id=1326183
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 5-Nov-2006 13:20
On the bullshit that is polygraphy. Take note, Aulduron. Never submit to one of these, under any circumstances. http://www.csicop.org/si/2001-07/polygraph.html
From: evildave [Evil Dave]
Date: 5-Nov-2006 13:29
Important foil hat study: http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/
From: heystoopid [ian deal]
Date: 5-Nov-2006 14:31
Never mind, like all born again ass bags, caught out in public for their sins against their own preachings and phony public propaganda sayings, that roll so easily of their forked tongues , for unfortunately they are always forgiven and re-invented "Jimmy Swaggert style" by the ever compliant, but very stupid wankers and Darwin rejects that usually make up the majority of their congregation! But then again, at least we now know why they always seek to lead us from the rear, always knowing , they can slip their manhood in our unprotected asses , time and time again! Sadly , for all concerned , shortly in time this wanker! , will be accepted back in the fold, to lead his ever compliant sheep and lambs in his congregation, to do his every bidding , for these silly misguided wankers only listen to what they want to hear locked in a world of the imaginary self , oblivious to all other condemning evidence before their very eyes! Aye , one thing for sure, this man is so inept and incompetent, he couldn't even lead a drunken mob on a raid to a distillery! Oh well, if you blindly follow this reverend, salvation will be the last thing on his hidden agenda of deliberate manipulation/brainwashing list of things to do, until Armageddon! After all they do have execution by firing squad in Colorado, and shouldn't all evil drug dealers be executed for their sins! Unfortunately, in this man's world, the rotten ass bag scum like him, always float to the surface smelling of sweet roses , to be born again, oh crap what a shame no one will put him in the stocks, so that all can throw rotten fruit at him from here until eternity, now that would be truly rotten!
From: coroner666 [DR. BITCH to you pal]
Date: 5-Nov-2006 14:46
Leave it to this fucktard to give gay men a bad name. Some of my best friends are gay men. It's the dykes you have to worry about, I should know, my sister is a dyke and she is one nasty piece of work.
From: insineratehymn [Spontaneous Christian Combustion]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 02:43
Those who hold a belief in anything other than the physical, factual world around us must be stamped out. "In order to destroy Christianity, one must not attack it. Instead, promote it, push it upon others, whip it into a mass movement. When you have majority approval, you must then commit terrible atrocities upon others in it's name. Those who disagree with the popular Christian movement will organize and fight against you -- insuring your eventual defeat. History will then paint Christianity with the same brush as it did the National Socialists, Fascists, etc. Forever tainted Christianity will be." -Harvey Henkelman
From: number9 [Mr.Smith]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 05:23
The easy out for Sir Haggard. The DEVIL MADE ME DO IT, all along I thought I was talking with God.
From: sabotage
[Sabotage Coyote]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 08:46
From: daftmonkeyminion [of Bertrand Russell] Date: 4-Nov-2006 04:18 Humanity has no need for feminine males or masculine females. They are that which should not have been. They are unnatural, and should be studied so science can effect a cure. There had to be an explanation why humans would lust after the same genitalia they themselves possess. How can appeal be sustained past the contempt of over familiarity? This is why I will never understand queers. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have sex with other guys and am pretty masculine, four years in the military, lots of boxing, kung fu, and weightlifting. I still cuss like a sailor and usually drink beer or liquor. I don't lisp, limpwrist, skip, or frolic. I know there is tons of sissy homos out there but to equate being gay with being feminine is making a mistake. Why? Sex is fun, that's not at all hard to understand.
From: kwijibo
[A fat, balding north-american ape]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 08:57
From: sabotage [Sabotage Coyote]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 08:46
...
I have sex with other guys and am pretty masculine, four years in the military, lots of boxing, kung fu, and weightlifting. I still cuss like a sailor and usually drink beer or liquor. I don't lisp, limpwrist, skip, or frolic. I know there is tons of sissy homos out there but to equate being gay with being feminine is making a mistake.
Why? Sex is fun, that's not at all hard to understand. Hey sabotage, are you single?
From: parasite6163 [peter fine]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 09:16
Let me see? A queer, a theif, a fake smile caused by an over load of cum in his mouth, a full fledged liar, and to top it off, he's a christian. Isn't that what christianity is all about. Every christian I ever met was a fucked-up, lying, selfish, hypocritically, judging, sack of shit, using the name of God for profit. Why would anyone think this fag was any different from any other family fucking christian? You christiancrypts are so BADDDDDDDDDDDDD.
From: parasite6163 [peter fine]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 09:33
From: studgerbil [Stud] Date: 4-Nov-2006 10:12 This is a great story for lots of reasons, not the least of which is the timing. Confess people: who knew this guy's name a week ago? Anyone? Now, all of a sudde, he's "a top religious advisor to President Bush"? Stud, are you gealous, a bush lover, or insane? inquiring minds want to know. P.S.- Bush comes from the state of queers and steers, which one is he?
From: parasite6163 [peter fine]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 09:44
From: username3 [username3] Date: 4-Nov-2006 15:26 user, are you fucking nutts or are you one of those pussies who place blame on everyone but the person who did it. Because a whore lives next door it's her fault you fuck her. You should seek help because you sound like alot of losers I know that blame everyone else in the world for their own shit. whaaaaaaaaaaa. Get real.
From: parasite6163 [peter fine]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 09:50
From: jaynedoe [Jayne Doe] Date: 4-Nov-2006 23:42 Socks. I have yet to see a tree or shrubbery produce beautiful, cotton-polyester blend, crew socks. As opposed to full cotton blends that appear all the time. I content socks to be unnatural and have no place with humanity. Therefore we must burn all socks and rid ourselves of this impure and immoral taint upon society. The human toe does not naturally lubricat...er I mean naturally clothe itself. So shall it not equally be covered with heathen textiles. We were not born with socks. We shall die equally the same! A fiery condemnation will be the fate of all socks!! Burn the unnatural, burn the heretic! (sock that is) This is just fucking funny as hell, more truthfull than any christian, and so straight to the point. I love it. Keep up the good work jaynedoe.
From: justlilolme
[Tammy]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 10:33
Boy, nothing like stereotyping, people. Geesh! You guys sit here and whine about not wanting your race or your orientation or whatever not be stereotyped or razzed, burned whatever, yet, you are the first to go around doing those very exact same things to others, namely, christians. Just cause you choose to not believe in a higher power or God, dont rag on those of us who choose to. Everyone was born with a free will and can do what they want and expect the respect of others. You guys want respect, yet you dont want to give it because someone believes something you dont? Yep, no wonder yer on Rotten. I am a christian. Theres nothing wrong AT ALL with having a belief or a hope.. or even faith.. .in something greater than mankind.. You guys prove that mankind (in general) is not something I want to have to rely on. So what, people make mistakes. No, I am not condoning what this pastor did. Personally, I dont care what he did but I dont condone it any more than I condone anyone pulling this crap with the meth and the secret sex. But I am not gonna sit here and get all flustered and puffy and huffy over it. I understand hey, He's human. He's christian.. that does not mean he's perfect. You, all of you, are leaders in your own way. Parents lead their kids, Lovers lead their partners, bosses lead their employees etc etc.. you guys make mistakes.. you are all very good at pointing out everyone elses so it pretty much covers everyone on here. ALOT of you get huffy when your mistakes are brought out into the open, others are mature and responsible enough to own up to theirs in the open.. some of you even sit there and tell others that its not that big a deal what they did. which is REALLY cool in my book, it shows that you guys realize that everyones human and are gonna fuck up from time to time. But then you guys go off on these tangents and blow that who good feeling thing you inspire in those of us who either lurk or are just occasional posters here. Most of you have really good points, most show alot of intelligence (there are those select few who, the minute they opened the dialog box just show their total stupidity time and time again *rolls my eyes*)but for the most part, I really enjoy the debates and whatnot. IF this guy Haggard hadnt been announced as a Christian leader or whatever (no, I hadn't heard of this person before today either) this would not have been news... its news and hes ripped to shreds cause he believes something you dont. Just because...He's a *gasp* Christian! BIG FUCKING DEAL! Get over it already! Get lives, move on. Misery might love company but its gettin old already. I know the difference between goodnatured razzing and out and out bitchiness. and most of this is just bitchiness. And Im fixin to spike all yer drinks with Midol or something.. Get over the PMS people! Seriously!
From: teratomarty
[Self-made man]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 11:54
Nah, Tammy Fae, we're not bitching about the fact that he's Christian. We are (or at least, I am) bitching about the fact that he's a huge horny hypocrite. His sect of Christianity, which Jesus himself would barely recognise, is forever banging on about how gays are evil, sick, wilful perverts. He helped draught Colorado's Amendment 43, a measure against gay marriage that's on the ballot for tomorrow. Meanwhile, he far outdoes little old me on the "evil, sick" front by secretly seeking meth and buttsex from a 49-yr-old rent"boy" (euuuuw). (I'm still leading him on "wilful" and probably "perverse," though). So, this "Christian" man believes love is bad, but adultery, drug use, and catching seven types of clap from an elderly manwhore is just fine. That, my friend, is comedy gold.
From: teratomarty
[Self-made man]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 12:10
Upon further reflection, I guess we should be thankful for the small favour that at least this Haggard asshole was going after guys his own (stanky old) age rather than pubescent boys, which seem to be the snack of choice for other religious hypocrites.
From: justlilolme
[Tammy]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 12:11
Thats Tammy Lou, Or even Tammy Sue,to you. Just Please... dont call me Tammy Fae. I couldnt afford that much make-up in my lifetime and know I just could never do her justice. (yes, sarcasm) Well, all I gotta say is even evangelical men get horny. Mebbe they were playing hide and seek, or blind mans bluff or something and he didnt know who he was doin. Hey! it could happen!
From: teratomarty
[Self-made man]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 12:30
OK, Tammy, "blind man's bluff..." nice save. Heh. According to my homo husband, Jews believe that sex, like lox, is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Christians are kind of like Jews, right? Christians should adopt this healthy philosophy. Yes, it offers fewer opportunities for foaming at the mouth, but it also offers more opportunities for screaming with pleasure.
From: parasite6163 [peter fine]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 12:33
From: justlilolme [Tammy] Date: 6-Nov-2006 10:33 Boy, nothing like stereotyping, people. Geesh! You guys sit here and whine about not wanting your race or your orientation or whatever not be stereotyped or razzed, burned whatever, yet, you are the first to go around doing those very exact same things to others, namely, christians. Just cause you choose to not believe in a higher power or God, dont rag on those of us who choose to. Everyone was born with a free will and can do what they want and expect the respect of others. You guys want respect, yet you dont want to give it because someone believes something you dont? Yep, no wonder yer on Rotten. I'm only bitching because fn christians have ruined organized religion for me and many others because their hypocracies are so selfish and wrong. They change the word of god to what fits them at the time and they totally removed the true word of god. The christians have created a selfish cult that is no different than charlie manson or david koresh, or satanism for that matter. Every belief they have has been stolen from the pagans and others yet they change them a little or alot, depending what they need at the time, and claim it to be thier own. I wouldn't trust a christian with my balls or a dollar. Christianity is on its way out and that will make god very happy to see the cult created by these morons. A couple of example of hypocracies I've seen recently: This psycho christian's daughter got pregnant by a drunk and the family is mad yet the father of this girl has just been prosecuted for molesting her for 13 years, and they all forgive him but not the daughter. His wife, who claims to hate homosexuals and feels they should all die, just tried to get my wife into bed with her, and her husband is all for it, and my girlfiend is the x-daughter in law of these fn fools. So, let's talk about these beautiful fucking christians. Get real, all christians are the same- basically the all suck and should be stopped, but they are ruining themselves which in my eyes is funny as hell. Yes I love God and know Christ died for me but ALL the christians ruined the sharing part of the faith. The bible is not the word of God. P.S.- They expect you to believe that there was a "virgin" in the desert over 2 thousand years ago. Come on folks, a virgin? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha God help them.
From: uppitynegro
[Uppity Negro]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 12:35
The asshole didn't read his own statement. He had to have another person read it for him. I am filled with jubilation at the increased probability that some government officials, associated contractors, and otherwise associated persons will be having to do a full Jimmy Swaggart not the pitiful drivel approximating it from the most Reverend Haggard. Does anyone know how to calculate the response to two elections fucked up by the current administration via the FBI and NSA security types? (not resolving matters obligated by many laws to be resolved defines a deliberate action) Bring bag lunches, it's going to get rough! (A message conveyed to me routinely from 2003 onwards.) Mirth, glee, laughter. Oh wait, should this be a solemn occasion? UNrelenting UNcompromising
From: sabotage
[Sabotage Coyote]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 12:39
From: justlilolme [Tammy] Date: 6-Nov-2006 10:33 His wife, who claims to hate homosexuals and feels they should all die, just tried to get my wife into bed with her, and her husband is all for it, and my girlfiend is the x-daughter in law of these fn fools. ------------------------------------------------------------------- You have a wife and a girlfriend?
From: parasite6163 [peter fine]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 12:42
I'm not saying this because I know it, but I'm saying it cuz it all makes sence. Michael Jackson is obviously a "GOOD" christian. ha ha ha
From: teratomarty
[Self-made man]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 12:56
OK, here's the ho:  From his interview in Newsweek, (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15548841/site/newsweek/) he sounds like a pretty decent guy, except for the whole meth thing. I've known some nice whores, male and female and otherwise (plus a couple of evil, theiving bitches who just happened to fuck for money). However, one thing all the whores I know agree on: you've got to get out of the Business by 35. Only exceptions are domination work and granny games. If you're still renting your ass at 49, you're either a drug addict or really bad at saving money (the two often go together). I'm not buying Jones' assertion that he wasn't Haggard's hookup in more ways than one.
From: parasite6163 [peter fine]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 12:58
From: sabotage [Sabotage Coyote] Date: 6-Nov-2006 12:39 From: justlilolme [Tammy] Date: 6-Nov-2006 10:33 His wife, who claims to hate homosexuals and feels they should all die, just tried to get my wife into bed with her, and her husband is all for it, and my girlfiend is the x-daughter in law of these fn fools. ------------------------------------------------------------------- You have a wife and a girlfriend? My bad, My girlfreind is my future wife. We've been together, fucking and not giving a damn what christiancrites think, for over three years so I may call her my wife because she is soon to be wife. And our wedding will not be under the roof of a christian whole in the wall. It will be in nature with God. Good catch Sab, sorry for the typo.
From: teratomarty
[Self-made man]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 13:09
It is perfectly OK to have both a girlfriend and a wife, as long as they know about each other, are fine with the arrangement, and occasionally sleep together. It would be even more surprising (and titillating) if it was Tammy and not Parasite who had the girlfriend and wife.
From: lordpakul [Lord Pakul]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 13:27
I am beginning to wonder just how kinky and drug-driven the nonsex and massages really were. We need lurid particulars and, even better, pix or a sex tape. 
From: teratomarty
[Self-made man]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 13:40
WTF, Pakul? The Penguin and Catwoman act out a Raggedy Ann fetish? You turn up the damndest things. Sadly, I begin to suspect that if *you* can't find a picture of it, the picture doesn't exist.
From: ikthool
[ikthool]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 14:01
“because of pride, I began deceiving those I love the most because I didn’t want to hurt or disappoint them.” How considerate.
From: justlilolme
[Tammy]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 15:15
From: justlilolme [Tammy] Date: 6-Nov-2006 10:33 His wife, who claims to hate homosexuals and feels they should all die, just tried to get my wife into bed with her, and her husband is all for it, and my girlfiend is the x-daughter in law of these fn fools. apparently someone is confuzzled.. I didnt type that. *blink* someone else submitted that.
From: justlilolme
[Tammy]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 15:27
From: teratomarty [Self-made man] Date: 6-Nov-2006 13:09 It is perfectly OK to have both a girlfriend and a wife, as long as they know about each other, are fine with the arrangement, and occasionally sleep together. It would be even more surprising (and titillating) if it was Tammy and not Parasite who had the girlfriend and wife. -------------------------------- hahaha... Marty, sorry hon, I am just not that talented.. nor do I swing that way. I guess yer stuck with the "parasite" and the girlfriend/wife situation. His being in that situation would prolly be alot more interesting than me being...oh hell.. who am i kidding.. lol.. I would win. *snort*
From: justlilolme
[Tammy]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 15:52
From: parasite6163 [peter fine] Date: 6-Nov-2006 12:33 I'm only bitching because fn christians have ruined organized religion for me and many others because their hypocracies are so selfish and wrong. They change the word of god to what fits them at the time and they totally removed the true word of god. The christians have created a selfish cult that is no different than charlie manson or david koresh, or satanism for that matter. No, christians haven't ruined anything for you, you have the right to believe what you want to believe and dont have to believe what those types of people believe. Its called free will. Charles Manson and David Koresh created those cults under the guise of christianity because they knew they wouldnt get followers or women any other way. Not all christians believe what they did was right or believe the same way they do. Every belief they have has been stolen from the pagans and others yet they change them a little or alot, depending what they need at the time, and claim it to be thier own. I wouldn't trust a christian with my balls or a dollar. With all due respect here, I wouldn't want your balls. But I wouldn't mind a dollar :D Christianity is on its way out and that will make god very happy to see the cult created by these morons. A couple of example of hypocracies I've seen recently: This psycho christian's daughter got pregnant by a drunk and the family is mad yet the father of this girl has just been prosecuted for molesting her for 13 years, and they all forgive him but not the daughter. His wife, who claims to hate homosexuals and feels they should all die, just tried to get my wife into bed with her, and her husband is all for it, and my girlfiend is the x-daughter in law of these fn fools. So, let's talk about these beautiful fucking christians. Get real, all christians are the same- basically the all suck and should be stopped, but they are ruining themselves which in my eyes is funny as hell. Remember, christians are human first then christians next. Just because someone claims to be a christian does not make them so. The majority of the population would trust a christian over any one else so (at least back in the day.. not necessarily as much today with all the bullshitters out there who ruin things for the genuine ones) I know a ton of people to believe there's a "God" therefore call themselves christian. Does not make it entirely so. I don't agree with the bs that you put up there with the family. They should love the daughter unconditionally. Something no one knows how to do anymore. Which just shows how well people DONT know their bibles these days. Not all christians suck. You are still choosing to lump everyone who claims christianity in the same pile. That would be like me saying that all (whatever you claim... agnostic, athiestic, pagan, wiccan...etc) suck. I know not all do. So your .... spoutings.. for lack of a better word are wrong. Yes I love God and know Christ died for me but ALL the christians ruined the sharing part of the faith. The bible is not the word of God. P.S.- They expect you to believe that there was a "virgin" in the desert over 2 thousand years ago. Come on folks, a virgin? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha God help them. If you loved God as you claim. You would know about forgiveness. You would think more on that than others claims. You would realize that not everyone out there has gotten the same "story" and would let it ride off your back and just concentrate on YOUR faith, your belief. Dont have to have organized religion to be a christian or love God. but, if you "Do" believe like you claim then you would want to follow the bibles teachings as it speaks to you, which "should" in theory, be about forgiveness, tolerance, patience, peace, unconditional love etc etc.... and not about the anger you feel that "someone" stole your faith and turned it bad. *stomps foot* *pitches fit*
My guess is that you dont believe in God or Christ like you claim, you dont even believe the bible is real. What does that say about you and your claim? Should we call you a hypocrite for saying one thing yet spouting another? In all fairness, thats my thought of you.
From: ikthool
[ikthool]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 18:04
Hate to double post,but one I made last week seems like it belongs. I work for a very Christian oriented company.Almost everyone belongs to a church,the owner and his brother are both pastors. Monday I went to my first foreman's meeting in a while(I've been skipping them,but apparently this pisses off the owner). I was informed that "The Enemy" was harassing our company,particularly the estimator.Phones have mysteriously malfunctioned,the estimator became lost when going to bid an important job,and we are just not getting the contracts or cooperation from municipalities we usually do. This is not because the estimator we hired this year has no experiance,and most of his schooling is in theology.It is not because anyone viewed as a good Christian is also viewed as a good leader and allowed to run work,even if they don't know what they're doing,or give a shit. It's because The Devil seeks to demoralize Christian companies. I think I'm going to go to work for one of those secular companies that don't have all these spiritual problems. I would post one of our "prayer sheets",but my wife tells me posting a company document,silly or not,would be illegal.  "Muhahaha!I will underbid you on concrete and streetwork!Muhahaha!"
From: maidenmaiden
[whatever]
Date: 6-Nov-2006 19:34
I think a lot of people would belong to a group that was centered in the community based community help idea, and maybe even meet once a week, (  ) but the child molesters, money grubbers, and all of the blatant hypocrites have turned tons of people off of even non-denominational centers. I don't believe in organized religion, but I can appreciate that there are lots of good people that want to do good in churches. Kinda like how there being evil, evil piggies out there doesn't mean all cops are bad! Hypocrites piss me off.
From: iguanac64 [Itchy Carter]
Date: 7-Nov-2006 08:44
Tammy...I have no reason to forgive him for anything. Is being a hypocrit something that's forgiveable? Only if they quit being one...and that's his choice not ours. I'm pissed at him because he stands for a big part of what I see wrong with the Republican party. They preach family values like they have the sole monopoly on them and many, many Christians vote for them on this one issue alone. Yet, they are human like the rest of us. He didn't just "make a mistake"...he made a conscious decision to commit what he denounced in other people as being evil. It's good to have goals, ethics, and morals...we should all strive to better ourselves, but attacking people perceived to have less of those then themselves then going out and being no better than them. There are people who genuinely torment themselves because they truly want to be "normal" and accepted by society. I know this is foreign to a lot of you =). It also causes a lot of people who probably would be happy people to do fucked up things because they bottle it up inside them thinking they can be "normal"...and when the boiler blows they freak out. ...of course...saying that...he sounds like the product of some of these wonderful Church doctrines...
From: justlilolme
[Tammy]
Date: 7-Nov-2006 12:40
From: iguanac64 [Itchy Carter] Date: 7-Nov-2006 08:44 Tammy...I have no reason to forgive him for anything. Is being a hypocrit something that's forgiveable? Only if they quit being one...and that's his choice not ours. I agree, you personally dont have anything to forgive him for. However, he "repented", whether or not it was sincere is not up to anyone but his God to decide. If his followers choose to forgive him thats their choice. Thats not really the point though. The point was that not all christians are bad evil horrid people like was stated in earlier in this thread. Some of us are pretty damn good people *smile*. I'm pissed at him because he stands for a big part of what I see wrong with the Republican party. They preach family values like they have the sole monopoly on them and many, many Christians vote for them on this one issue alone. Yet, they are human like the rest of us.He didn't just "make a mistake"...he made a conscious decision to commit what he denounced in other people as being evil. It's good to have goals, ethics, and morals...we should all strive to better ourselves, but attacking people perceived to have less of those then themselves then going out and being no better than them. I am pretty sure I am understanding what you are saying here but at the risk of seeming stupid, I would like to clarify. Because he stands against certain things, he's not allowed to slip, ever. Not allowed to be tempted or tested. Not allowed to fail said tests and temptations. Not allowed to be human. There are alot of things I am against. That I believe are morally wrong... premarital sex for one thing. Does that mean that I am not tempted by it? That I dont give in from time to time? Hell no. I do give in. I fail the tests. I am human, I love sex! Every position and type of foreplay I can try and do, I will. Sometimes I can have that willpower to say no, and there are times when there is NO way willpower is or ever was in my vocabulary. (and to whomever asked yesterday about my potential wife/girlfriend... sorry... men only for me. so quitcher fantasizing! lol! (kidding) *cough* anyway, even though I fail at times, doesnt mean that I am not repentant and wishing to change that behavior in myself. It doesnt always mean that for others either. I dont like what this... man... pulled either. It is wrong. He is a leader of people and should have a stronger willpower, should not give in to temptation "of the flesh" but he did. Shame on him. definitely, that I agree with, however, to lump EVERY christian into the same category as this man is simply not right. That was my point all along. Does that make sense? There are people who genuinely torment themselves because they truly want to be "normal" and accepted by society. I know this is foreign to a lot of you =). Im not sure normal exists anymore. Its a fantasy. Just like romance Is that what you mean by foreign? *ponders that* It also causes a lot of people who probably would be happy people to do fucked up things because they bottle it up inside them thinking they can be "normal"...and when the boiler blows they freak out. this happens in every day life too. anger, road rage, sociopathic tendencies, post office shootings. But, these things are not solely because some leader went out and went against what he taught. Anyone can set off another person. If people had that kind of power over others to that extent, then we would all be pretty fucked up.. wouldnt you say? Even the killers, rapists, pedo's, etc have that conscious part of them. I dont buy that most of them dont know right from wrong or that they did wrong. Sorry. Some of them, yeah, they might have a screw loose, might have some serious issues. But not every single abuser out there. Most do have the technology to know right from wrong. The only ones we can "fix" or "control" are ourselves. The ones that want to be normally happy, I mean. Those people do have the choice to be happy or not. If they feel that choice lies in the hands of some preacher, then they need to seek counseling for co-dependency, and damn quickly. ...of course...saying that...he sounds like the product of some of these wonderful Church doctrines... I appreciate you saying "some of the wonderful church doctrines" not all are bad. the doctrines themselves aren't bad, the people who distort them are. *Steps off onto step ladder* *climbs down from soap box* Boy! how bout this weather!! (subtle attempt at a change of subject)
From: iguanac64 [Itchy Carter]
Date: 7-Nov-2006 13:23
I get what you're saying and I agree with a large majority of it. Everyone slips...we're all human. I just don't understand how out of one side of your face you can condemn homosexuals while privately smoking meth while having sex with gay male prostitutes. It's not the fact that he did these things (which are still things he should have been seeking some sort of help for...meth and VD is bad...mkay?), but it's who he was and the position he held. If you're sleeping with men, it would show more honesty, virtue, and ethics to work with homosexual-friendly organizations within your religous institutions (there are a few!).
From: justlilolme
[Tammy]
Date: 7-Nov-2006 14:29
From: iguanac64 [Itchy Carter] Date: 7-Nov-2006 13:23 I get what you're saying and I agree with a large majority of it. Everyone slips...we're all human. I just don't understand how out of one side of your face you can condemn homosexuals while privately smoking meth while having sex with gay male prostitutes. It's not the fact that he did these things (which are still things he should have been seeking some sort of help for...meth and VD is bad...mkay?), but it's who he was and the position he held. If you're sleeping with men, it would show more honesty, virtue, and ethics to work with homosexual-friendly organizations within your religous institutions (there are a few!). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yep, I agree with you. It sucks when yer two faced about what you say and how you act. It is wrong. Especially when you are supposedly a leader of such a large church. (I say supposedly because he didn't act much like a leader to me.) It prolly would have been in his best interest to at least show some tolerance of such people instead of making them out to be the "devils spawn" or whatever he called them. *nod* I definitely agree with you. My son is bi-sexual (well, he claims bi, my personal "gaydar" says hes full fledged gay though.) He is a catholic. Only because the catholics seem to be more tolerant as a whole of his orientation. I know I can't be the exception to the rule out there as a christian. Even the bible tells us to love our brother as he loved his church. (meaning us, meaning unconditionally, without exception) I love my son regardless of his orientation and would never condemn him for it. Its not my place. I still believe in the "Judge not, lest ye be judged" verse in the bible.. No, I don't know the book, chapter or verse its from.. Just know its from the new testament and it was said when the prostitute Mary was fixin to get stoned. (with rocks, for those of you who would add a different meaning to "stoned" *grin* My job regarding my son is to be there for him, support him, encourage him and love him no matter what and to raise him as well as I can. (He's now 21 so that jobs pretty much done, and, quite frankly, i think hes a pretty good kid all things considered) I am not looking to take on any more jobs where he's concerned. The rest is up to God and to my son.
Updated: 9-Nov-2006 14:59
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