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Hell Yes
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"Possessing marijuana, cocaine and even heroin will no longer be a crime in Mexico if they are in small amounts for personal use under new reforms passed by Congress that quickly drew U.S. criticism." ... San Diego Mayor freaked out ... Update: He's gonna sign it
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From: hoageymaster [Black Man]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 13:14
Firsted. Oh boy now we're going to have Americans hopping the border to get into Mexico.
From: baschalove
[TheHostessWithTheMostest]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 13:15
Legalize it and it won't be such an epidemic. This should be done in the states. Save room in prisons for rapists and murderers, instead of the guy that smokes a joint after he gets home from working a 10 hour day.
From: browncereal [Count Chokula]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 13:21
Whats the big deal? Steroids are also not illegal in MX and hundreds of weightlifters go down to buy some every week... no biggie. You never hear of it on the evening news. I do think though that dubya and his cronies will get bent outta shape over this one though... they were freaking out when Canada was thinking of decriminilazing pot (which will no longer happen since Canadians elected a bush-puppet government). The Count
From: daveythedumbass
[Davey the Dumbass]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 13:40
Oooooh, poor Jerry. He and Horn (county rep fighting the Cali law that says counties must cooperate in providing medical marijuana cards) can fuck themselves. With a patio umbrella. Jerry was a piglet Then he ran for mayor promising the niglets that he'd ignore their color One day they legallized pot he freaked out on the spot you'll destroy your fucked up nation where us Americans love to vacation heroin and cocain? those can kill the pain of poverty that feeds your run to our sandy beaches and sun Move fast Pedro and Julia we have plenty of work for ya Pick our veggies, get free health care Cause our only concern is the drugs down there How can the CIA cash in? Probably by fucking them...
From: krazymissi [krazy missi]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 13:41
YAY! Now it will be easier for the Mexican drug dealers that slip across the border to get drugs to sell here! Wonder if that will make their prices go down any?
From: arachnyd [rabble!]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 13:46
As if Cancun wasnt popular enough with spring breakers...
From: sirbutlust
[mike duff]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 13:59
we should make this more organized. ameircans tryig to go to mexico, mexicans trying to come here, soon the newspaper will have a transactions section like the sports section does. TODAYS TRANSACTIONS: california: traded 432 crackheads to mexico in exchange for 334 mexican landscapers, 12 chickens and cash considerations. colorodo: traded all its aspen ski lift mechanics to mexico in exchange for 22 mexicans. new york: recalled 22 heroin users from mexico as there is no one left to drive the trains. mexico will recieve compinsation in the next draft. washington: traded all its washed up grunge bands for 362 mexicans and 10% profits the grunge bands make in shitty mexican clubs.
From: ikthool
[ikthool]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 14:00
These quantities are pretty small,and anyone caught with more will be considered a dealer,and threatened with major prison time if they don't hand over a real dealer.The little guy gets to keep his 1/4oz,the gangs start getting rolled over on more,sounds like a good idea.Hate to be the guy busted with a 1/2oz of weed,rough fucking choice there.
From: brainspore [Brainspore]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 14:16
I wonder if Holland is going to take a big hit in their tourism industry now that Americans can just drive down to the border for a legal buzz instead of booking a flight to Amsterdam.
From: samael [White Pride World Wide]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 14:26
They tried this in Swizerland a few years back, specifically in Zurich as an experiment if memory serves. It didn't go so well. Bloody cotton balls and junkies everywhere.
From: daveythedumbass
[Davey the Dumbass]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 14:30
From: brainspore [Brainspore]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 14:16
I wonder if Holland is going to take a big hit in their tourism industry now that Americans can just drive down to the border for a legal buzz instead of booking a flight to Amsterdam. Marijuana is more legal in CA. Decriminalized up to 1 oz. Just find a dealer, or get a doctor's note.
From: spanker [Smoking Joe]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 14:56
Contrary to the popular opinion of the bong heads, drug addiction is not a victimless crime. A great deal of theft and violent crime is associated with addicts willing to do anything to sustain their habit. Making personal use consumption legal will only make a serious problem to society in general much worse. Hopefully this change in Mexico will have only a neglible influence to the U.S.
From: gargoyle1
Date: 29-Apr-2006 14:56
I don't mind the pot, but the other shit, no, shouldn't be legalized. Hell now all the goddamn illegals will expect it here too.
From: conspiracy
[Theory]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 15:08
Having the drug is OK , but to sell it will be "bad" and illegal. Where do they think those that have , got what they got? MTC
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 15:20
I don't think they should legalise it by AMOUNT. I think they should legalise it by DISTRICT. In other words, you can have all the drugs you want, as long as you go to live in a fucked-up drug town that's run by druggies, and stay the fuck away from the rest of us. Fuck.
From: gypsydances
[gypsy]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 15:39
Mexico is not far from Yuma, where I went. A neighbor of mine here who is hooked on pain meds wanted to know if I would just hop over there and get her some. Drugs are cheaper there, easier to get over the border. Well I didn't want to bother with it but she was so insistant I said if I had time I might take a look. So she gives me 50 bucks "just in case". Yuma is a hot spot right now and didn't want to test the waters at the border so to speak. My bf, Larry, was still here in Washington. He's also my neighbor, which makes him also her neighbor. So shes haveing withdrawals one day and bugs him if "I went to Mexico yet". Over and over she bugs him so he finally says, no she hasn't. She screeches why?? He said because the snakes are out. She said what snakes. He screams rattlesnakes in a disgusted manner and stomps off. He led her to believe that rattle snakes were actually keeping me from crossing the border. Rattle snakes. Like they are all lined up head to tail, hissing at me at the border. Protesting my entry. Well, she bought it anyway. I returned the money to her when I got back. I still don't know where he got that one, I walked the desert all the time early in the morning. Snakes out but not as aggresive, being still cool.
From: baschalove
[TheHostessWithTheMostest]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 15:48
spanker [Smoking Joe]: Are you referring to pot heads, or hard core users? Just want to clarify. I've never seen a weed smoker commit a crime to get a bag. (Least I never have) Nor have I ever seen a pot smoker beat his wife (Let's hang and watch a movie, raid the fridge, maybe hump). A drunk maybe...
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 16:08
The only substantial change this new law makes is not requiring a doctor's certificate of addiction for small amounts of these drugs. Amounts have been changed slightly and insignificantly. Previously USA nationals would have not been able to acquire these certifications, but the new law means now that USA nationals will be able to possess in the same manner as Mexican nationals. This change is significant as it means that more American nationals will be busted with borderline amounts and subjected to legal extortion as suggested above by ikthool [ikthool]: "These quantities are pretty small,and anyone caught with more will be considered a dealer,and threatened with major prison time if they don't hand over a real dealer.The little guy gets to keep his 1/4oz,the gangs start getting rolled over on more,sounds like a good idea.Hate to be the guy busted with a 1/2oz of weed,rough fucking choice there. "
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 16:13
baschalove [TheHostessWithTheMostest] : If you've never seen a pothead steal from his friends, relatives, and strangers to score a bag of dope, then all your potheads are either well-financed or getting it for free from dealers more stoned than they are.
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 16:27
From: spanker [Smoking Joe] Date: 29-Apr-2006 14:56 Contrary to the popular opinion of the bong heads, drug addiction is not a victimless crime. A great deal of theft and violent crime is associated with addicts willing to do anything to sustain their habit. Making personal use consumption legal will only make a serious problem to society in general much worse. Hopefully this change in Mexico will have only a neglible influence to the U.S. Smoking Joe, Besides violence done by the addicts, violence is also done by suppliers working in the morality-free enterprise zone known as drug dealing. The primary objective of a drug dealer is to make money. With no regulation except for market realities, virtually any tactic is justified to squelch competition, including beating up the competition or murder. Any tactic also includes cozy relationships with organized crime and the corruption of police personnel. Also, very few drug dealers will accept responsibility for adulterated or toxic product.
From: heystoopid [ian deal]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 16:28
Sack the mayor, he is brain dead useless, and has wasted a lot of the taxpayers money on assorted failed schemes, like the city's most expensive parking lot in J street! Oh well, choices can be fatal for some , I suppose!
From: gypsydances
[gypsy]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 16:32
Are you referring to pot heads, or hard core users? Just want to clarify. I've never seen a weed smoker commit a crime to get a bag. (Least I never have) Nor have I ever seen a pot smoker beat his wife (Let's hang and watch a movie, raid the fridge, maybe hump). A drunk maybe... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hi hostess, I've seen them steal to score. Never really noticed them beating up on a woman tho. The senses for sex are heightened, so thats usually a go. Violence just doesn't seem to get a grab, like liquor can.
From: bloodshotglass [BloodShotGlass]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 17:20
All the Butthole Surfers sing; TAKE ME MEXICAN CARAVAN! YOW!
From: pillager [aka looter]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 17:22
Legal Drugs? Why not? When Alcohol was illegal during Prohibition, did that stop ANYONE from drinking booze?
From: absintheredux
[Green Death]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 17:24
From: spanker [Smoking Joe]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 14:56
Contrary to the popular opinion of the bong heads, drug addiction is not a victimless crime. A great deal of theft and violent crime is associated with addicts willing to do anything to sustain their habit. Making personal use consumption legal will only make a serious problem to society in general much worse. Hopefully this change in Mexico will have only a neglible influence to the U.S. ......................................................... Do you realize the side effects of the new prohibition? The theft and violent crime occur whenever the State grants a monopoly to the underworld and promises to jack up and support the high prices of a substance by making its possession and sale a criminal offense. Same thing happened after the Volstead Act was passed., but we never learn. Consequences of Prohibition (old or new) Creation of a false tax-free underground economy. Price support of forbidden items at the cost of the taxpayers by artificially decreasing supply. Creation of new bureaucracies to uphold and enforce said dicta. Curtailing of civil rights "To save us from..."(fill in the blank). Foreign political and military adventurism and support of totalitarian regimes. Huge increase in the prison populations for prohibition violations. Crippling the judicial discretion by introducing mandatory sentences (robot courts). Corruption of the Law Enforcement Agencies by illegal "take", reliance on confiscatory policies (an end run around due process) to fill their coffers, and an "end justified the means" culture. Creation of huge Correctional Officers' unions which have a history of blackmailing legislatures into unconscionable wage increases to get their vote. I won't go into the details of human and economic impact. No Prohibition is not a "victimless crime"
From: theodread
[{One More Time}]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 17:26
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
"I don't think they should legalise it by AMOUNT. I think they should legalise it by DISTRICT.
In other words, you can have all the drugs you want, as long as you go to live in a fucked-up drug town that's run by druggies, and stay the fuck away from the rest of us.
Fuck. "
Brilliant!
We could have a "district" for f*gs, and cri**les, and ret*rds, and bl**ks, and J*ws, and ch*nks, and w*tbacks, and assh*les, and n*rds, and jo*ks.
Or do I just need to add your intolerance to the list of things I am supposed to tolerate?
Fuck Indeed. Seems the junk filter took the original. I suppose some words are just too rotten for rotten. If a post is going to get hidden, there really should be a filter alert of some kind.
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 17:40
Green Death, You forgot the increased political influence by organized crime financed by their massive tax-free cash flow from the illegal distribution of prohibited substances and the inevitable ensuing moral decay.
From: absintheredux
[Green Death]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 17:52
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 17:40
Green Death,
You forgot the increased political influence by organized crime financed by their massive tax-free cash flow from the illegal distribution of prohibited substances and the inevitable ensuing moral decay. ....................................................... Thank you. That well needed mentioning.
From: prettysneaky
[pretty sneaky]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 17:55
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From: brainspore [Brainspore]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 17:56
From: daveythedumbass [Davey the Dumbass]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 14:30
From: brainspore [Brainspore]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 14:16
"I wonder if Holland is going to take a big hit in their tourism industry now that Americans can just drive down to the border for a legal buzz instead of booking a flight to Amsterdam."
Marijuana is more legal in CA. Decriminalized up to 1 oz. Just find a dealer, or get a doctor's note. Sorry Davey, but I'm from California and that's just not true. Even if you are an AIDS patient with a doctor's note the DEA can bust down your door at any time. I've been to Amsterdam and Mexico and can confidently say pot is much easier to find in either of those locales.
From: roblescatalan [robles catalan]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 18:04
robles catalan lives in mexico and he is very happy about this. also, talking about weed and crime, ive been smoking pot since i was 13, financially i am in the middle to lower class, and i have never stolen my mom`s refridgerator, my dad`s DVD, my friend`s bike or gotten hog-dogged to buy a little pot. nor has it ever crossed my mind. nor have ANY of my pothead friends done that kind of shit. when you`re out, you`re just out. get more when you can and in the mean time, no big deal. However, most of the crackheads, meth heads, pill heads and paint heads i know (and that would be A LOT) have stolen from their friends and family, assaulted taxi drivers, and gotten hog dogged to get their fix. among other things. weed is weed, what`s the big fuckin deal, alcohol is way worse for your health (mental, emotional, spiritual, etc.)
From: unclepeter [Old Poop]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 18:10
You wanna'know something. You really shouldn't read postings like this after you have done a "Bob Marley". Really funky. . . Oh, does this upset some of the Neo-Nazi Republicans around here? Doesn't it just piss you off when someone like Mexico doesn't kiss American butt all the time? Get a grip ladies. The US is in deep trouble and whether or not Mexico legalises pot has really very little effect on the trouble the Americans are in. But, on the other hand, it does take one's mind off the kids dieing in Iraq and the taxpayer being screwed by George and buddies. What a shitty way for a great country to go down the toilet.
From: dragon
[DrunkenTigerStonedDragon]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 18:18
Marijuana isn't as addictive as people think. Marijuana is not like crack. I don't need to steal from someone just to get another fix. If I don't have the money to buy weed, I simply don't smoke.
From: dankbear420 [dank]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 18:32
puh-leeze. mexican pot sucks. now give me some of the northeast kingdoms finest or some of that "willie nelson" stuff that won the cannabis cup last year and im all over it.
From: athenstexman
[Ron]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 18:34
And the other thing cool about Mexico is that you can go across the border to the doctor. You walk into a little waiting room/cashier station and tell them you need a prescription filled. They generaly hand you 2 peices of paper, one with regular medications, and the other with "fun stuff". When the "nurse" says it is 20 US dollers per scrirt tell her no way the doctor down the street only charges 10 US, and give her 12 US per script. That's the way they do it down south and they will think you are a sucker if you pay full price. You are allowed to get 3 prescriptions filled per border visit, with a 3 month supply of each script. So 3 valium a day times 90 days is 270 little pills ! Then go shopping get your smokes and booze. You go to the border and when they ask you what you have to declare for taxes give it all to them. They make you pay tax on the booze, but the scripts are cool unless it's like rohibinol. Then go back and go to boys town, bang a hooker who might cry and see a donkey show. But it's the third world and NEVER drive over there.
From: larsvargas [Lars]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 18:38
Marijuana isn't addictive at all. It's a habit and some people will do anything to get it, but if you wanna quit the craving just goes away like that. The problem is people are so caught up in the LIFESTYLE more than anything, they can't imagine being one of those prudish people that don't smoke it. When I tell my friends I don't smoke anymore they make sure I at least still drink, or I'd be a real lamer in their eyes. BTW when I smoked I could smoke 5 grams in one session, it's much better here in Nevada where anything under an ounce is decriminalized. You get a ticket if you're caught with it outside your home, but it's the equivalent of a traffic citation.
From: roblescatalan [robles catalan]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 18:41
¨But it's the third world and NEVER drive over there. ¨ Some people are so fucking ignorant about Mexico, and think they know so much. Then my friends wonder why I NEVER want to move back to the fucking states. By the way, whoever talked bad about Mexican weed needs to go to Michoacan. The weed is almost as good as Cali pot, plus, there are many hash labs in Michoacan, also in Oaxaca. Good hash, could be compared to Moroccan hash, if I had the time or money or balls to fly it Amsterdam, I could most definitely sell Mexican hash there. If you dont know anything about Mexico, dont talk about it.
From: roblescatalan [robles catalan]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 18:45
They make you pay tax on the booze, but the scripts are cool unless it's like rohibinol¨ Its ROHYPNOL, dude, chemical name FLUNITRAZEPAM, so when you come down here to buy your prescription you dont sound as stupid as you did in your news group posting. What larsvargas had to say was pretty cool. One of the reasons I still smoke is because I like -being a smoker-. The weed for itself has got me bored, but I like the stoner, modern-hippy lifestyle. I like my stoner friends. Being a stoner is cool, much cooler than being a DRUNK.
From: technodestructo [technodestructo]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 18:51
From: baschalove [TheHostessWithTheMostest]
Legalize it and it won't be such an epidemic. This should be done in the states. Save room in prisons for rapists and murderers, instead of the guy that smokes a joint after he gets home from working a 10 hour day. But what about all the prison guards that would put out of work? What about the DARE cops? Did you ever think about that? What about their families? You want to make all those children cry, don't you, you monster?
From: spanker [Smoking Joe]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 19:28
"spanker [Smoking Joe]: Are you referring to pot heads..." Not specifically. Smoking weed exclusively is not a signifcant portion of the overall problem. However, for many it is a stepping stone to more hardcore drugs that create the parasite addicts that plague this country. If I were in a position of power I would likely ignore personal usage of weed and pretty much focus on the crack, coke, heroin, meth, etc.. that is an anchor around the neck of this nation.
From: daveythedumbass
[Davey the Dumbass]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 19:30
From: brainspore [Brainspore]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 17:56
Sorry Davey, but I'm from California and that's just not true. Even if you are an AIDS patient with a doctor's note the DEA can bust down your door at any time. I've been to Amsterdam and Mexico and can confidently say pot is much easier to find in either of those locales. I just got back from a club, and, well, the DEA didn't care. The only problem anyone I know ever had: No club card, so the SD police gave him an $85 ticket for having 27.9g's of dankass chronic with him. I'm smoked pot in Balboa Park, at Harbor & Market, 4th & Laurel, walking down Park Blvd, and also all over Mira Mesa. Even in front of the DEA's SoCal Ops Center before. They didn't notice, I have to assume, or just don't care. It's only weed, dude.
From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 19:40
Alaska and Canada already have personal use laws for marijuana. Cocaine and heroin are the surprising additions here. If the Mexican cops are so damn corrupt that these laws weren't being enforced anyway (or even worse, the 'personal use' amounts were being planted on innocent Americans as a pretext for arrest), I don't see how anything will change. Vincente Fox has no right to scream about our laws, when his country can't even govern itself.
From: juliodabitch [gypsy dances is not of the rom]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 19:54
If you are dumb enough to take a drug that can damage the brain and or body after being told repeatedly it's a crime to society and your'e self, and you still do it you should be burned to death in public while your'e family is forced to watch . All druggies are losers who cannot face up to the daily reality called life ,there tiny escape they get from the drugs only comes back to bite them in the ass later . It's a rotten reality that drug use in Saudi Arabia is frowned on by the populace and backed up by a real system of enforcenent AKA death . The death penalty for any and all drug dealers ,be it a 5 dollar bag or an aircraft full being the same (death) would solve all drug problems in one year. Let's play a game and look at how much money is generated by drugs. The US is 100% capable of stopping goods from Cuba for nearly 50 years . The US under the Reagan administration declared a war on drugs .This war requires a 100% boycott of all illegal drugs from several South American countries and parts of Asia .All of these places are a lot farther away than Cuba . Any person who has been involved in ANY on ground military activity outside of the US will tell you that a decent portion of there activities involved drugs especially any one stationed in Asia or S. America during the mid or late 1980s. Simple math will tell any one that from production to transportation the risk does not off set the profit for the majority of the participantes . The only reason to get involved in the drug scene is very real and sincere poverty or having a habit your'e self . So why are drugs readily available in all US cities ? The reason being that a simple first year law enforcement officer in the US makes more than the 14 other people combined that it took to deliver siad drugs to the US .........1 and an hou r lapse drunk .
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 20:13
From: spanker [Smoking Joe] Date: 29-Apr-2006 19:28 "spanker [Smoking Joe]: Are you referring to pot heads..." Not specifically. Smoking weed exclusively is not a signifcant portion of the overall problem. However, for many it is a stepping stone to more hardcore drugs that create the parasite addicts that plague this country. If I were in a position of power I would likely ignore personal usage of weed and pretty much focus on the crack, coke, heroin, meth, etc.. that is an anchor around the neck of this nation. -------------------------------- The only reason marijuana is a "gateway drug" is because the people who sell it often sell other drugs and are eager to recruit new business by introducing MJ users to addictive drugs. The average weed dealer knows that it's not addictive and his customers will slack off during lean times if they don't have a monkey on their back making them use. I've been smoking weed for ages and I've never seen anyone steal to get their green unless they were a thief by nature. Some folks steal because they simply are dishonest. Unlike crack, meth, heroin, etc. marijuana doesn't cause drastic and detrimental personality changes. Weed won't make an honest person steal or turn a peaceful person into a raging maniac as hardcore drugs tend to do. Alcohol is much more addictive and more of a stepping stone to hard drug use than weed could ever hope to be. It also causes severe personality and physical changes that can effect a person's integrity. Weed simply does not do that.
From: baschalove
[TheHostessWithTheMostest]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 20:25
roblescatalan: Thank you larsvargas: Thank you ciaochowbella: I've been smoking weed for ages and I've never seen anyone steal to get their green unless they were a thief by nature. Some folks steal because they simply are dishonest. Unlike crack, meth, heroin, etc. marijuana doesn't cause drastic and detrimental personality changes. Weed won't make an honest person steal or turn a peaceful person into a raging maniac as hardcore drugs tend to do. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank You.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 20:26
It will still be illegal to sell it. So all the gang violence that goes with it, isn't going anywhere. Even if it became legal to sell it and regulated, the current dealers aren't just going to fade away. Their dope will always be cheaper because they wouldn't have to pay the taxes and other regulatory BS costs that legitimate dealers will be subjected to. Which sucks because locking us for getting high is fucked beyond belief
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 21:16
ciaochowbella, You sound exactly like any other converted marijuanista, justifying your personal use by repeating the myths of marijuana. While much of what you say about marijuana might be true, it is all opinion, anecdotal, and not been tested scientifically. You do a genuine disservice to others who cannot or will not think too deeply on the subject. Valid research mostly in other countries (it is difficult to do that research here because of official attitudes) shows that marijuana DOES have significant negative effects on heavy or habitual users. These effects are mostly upon the finer functions of memory but there also seems to be a distressing tendency for many individuals to become socially alienated or socially disfunctional. While it is difficult to tease these results out of studies using multi-drug users, statistics allow the careful researcher to assign effects appropriately. In my own experience (30 years of tokin' ended in 1989), I have known many hopheads who religiously avoided other drugs including nicotine. Of these, some were obviously destined never to do anything with their lives but smoke the next bowl. Without exception, they all had the same opinions as you. Having an opinion or belief is one thing, spreading that opinion as an absolute truth is another. There are young, impressionable people here in this forum. It is your responsibility as an experienced person not to lead them astray with opinions taught as truth. The very least you can do is to qualify your remarks as your opinion. In your statement you say that alcohol is more of a gateway drug than marijuana and also give rationalizations why marijuana is also, in effect blaming marijuana's gateway effect on the dealers. Using your same reasonings, it can be shown that the chance of alcohol being worse in this respect than marijuana is unlikely. Alcohol is cheaper, legal, more readily available, and metabolizes much more rapidly than marijuana. Do not count me as an alcohol advocate. Alcohol can be abused, perhaps more easily, than marijuana, the results of that abuse being much more apparent. In both cases the abuse gives virtually the same results, taking a healthy human and turning him/her into a stumble bum who has a problem finding the laces on his/her sandals. And remember. What works for you will not necessarily work for everyone.
From: mantis65 [mantis65]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 21:17
Mexico is not far from Yuma, where I went. A neighbor of mine here who is hooked on pain meds wanted to know if I would just hop over there and get her some. Drugs are cheaper there, easier to get over the border. Well I didn't want to bother with it but she was so insistant I said if I had time I might take a look. So she gives me 50 bucks "just in case". Yuma is a hot spot right now and didn't want to test the waters at the border so to speak. My bf, Larry, was still here in Washington. He's also my neighbor, which makes him also her neighbor. So shes haveing withdrawals one day and bugs him if "I went to Mexico yet". Over and over she bugs him so he finally says, no she hasn't. She screeches why?? He said because the snakes are out. She said what snakes. He screams rattlesnakes in a disgusted manner and stomps off. He led her to believe that rattle snakes were actually keeping me from crossing the border. Rattle snakes. Like they are all lined up head to tail, hissing at me at the border. Protesting my entry. Well, she bought it anyway. I returned the money to her when I got back. I still don't know where he got that one, I walked the desert all the time early in the morning. Snakes out but not as aggresive, being still cool. 888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 i used to live in yuma pot is the least of your worries tyhat meth city
From: doneuclid
[Don Euclid]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 21:23
Sirbutlust said: washington: traded all its washed up grunge bands for 362 mexicans and 10% profits the grunge bands make in shitty mexican clubs. - - - - - - - - - - - - Sorry man, wrong decade. No more grunge bands up here. But if you said "crappy wannabe techno DJ's", you'd be right on the money. 
From: daveythedumbass
[Davey the Dumbass]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 21:39
bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]: Having an opinion or belief is one thing, spreading that opinion as an absolute truth is another. There are young, impressionable people here in this forum. It is your responsibility as an experienced person not to lead them astray with opinions taught as truth. The very least you can do is to qualify your remarks as your opinion. Does the ONDCP follow this policy also? If not, why not?
From: absintheredux
[Green Death]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 22:22
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 21:16
ciaochowbella,
You sound exactly like any other converted marijuanista, justifying your personal use by repeating the myths of marijuana. While much of what you say about marijuana might be true, it is all opinion, anecdotal, and not been tested scientifically. Let me see "In my own experience (30 years of tokin' ended in 1989), I have known many hopheads who religiously avoided other drugs including nicotine. Of these, some were obviously destined never to do anything with their lives but smoke the next bowl. Without exception, they all had the same opinions as you.
" That sounds pretty anecdotal to me. A bit of the pot calling the kettle black? "Valid research mostly in other countries (it is difficult to do that research here because of official attitudes) shows that marijuana DOES have significant negative effects on heavy or habitual users. These effects are mostly upon the finer functions of memory but there also seems to be a distressing tendency for many individuals to become socially alienated or socially disfunctional. While it is difficult to tease these results out of studies using multi-drug users, statistics allow the careful researcher to assign effects appropriately. I won't even try to go beyond "What are those studies, what are your sources.". You are blowing a lot of smoke (pun intended). The lack of concrete support for your opinions as to the existence, validity or superiority of such research over other research that might differ in its observations or conclusions is a dead end, because you have offered nothing but unsupported claims. If I concluded otherwise I would not "think too deeply on the subject." You are spouting unsupported pseudo-scientific trash and yet pretending that your opinions are more fact-based and responsible than Ciao's. Come back with some verifiable evidence and there might be a basis for a worthwhile discussion from which others might reach an informed opinion.
From: daveythedumbass
[Davey the Dumbass]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 23:02
From: baschalove [TheHostessWithTheMostest]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 21:44
Davey: Please, don't think snark-ism... Just my ignorance... what is ONDCP? (probably read it, just don't have recognition) M. Office of National Drug Control Policy, aka, the office of the Drug Czar. (See also Traffic if you haven't yet.)
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 23:27
Green Death: Forgive me for trying to inject a balanced viewpoint. You as well as I, know that we don't have time in this forum to assemble citations. The "facts" I've presented are there for anyone who wants to take the time to verify them. (google them yourself) My "anecdotal" obsrvation was presented as nothing more than that, and the conclusion, obvious, as my own experience. Your hostility to these observations is also obvious. Your reaction, in this manner, to my "anti-marijuana" statements, is typical of a marijuanista having his potdreams assaulted. You sound so reasonable otherwise.
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 23:31
Davey the Dumbass, It is no secret that the ONDCP has its own agenda and that it considers its agenda "right" for the American People. It's not the first time that a large group of people has been wrong.
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 00:09
>> "We could have a "district" for f*gs, and cri**les, and ret*rds" Just a guess...are you a smoker? Do you resent having to haul your ass over to the smoking zones? I'm not suggesting segregation of anything that isn't a conscious choice.
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 00:22
According to Rush Limbaugh, addiction is a conscious choice.
From: blackjack [Jake mcHill]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 01:10
Growing for personal use should be legalised, not just holding. Apart from the many justifications for decriminalising marijuana, there is one thing; privacy. If I grow my own in a closet, pay my electricity, nutrients and 'stuff' with honest-for-god money I've sweated for and don't sell it on principle, what THE FUCK IS THE PROBLEM!?! Yes, yes, crackheads, organized crime, drug crime, trafficking, innocent people caught in a crossfire, crack babies, zonked-out violent meth heads, mommies on a painkiller trip letting their babies drown in a bathtub, junkies stealing and begging and bugging you on the street, tons of hard drugs smuggled every year, dealers in schoolyards et fucking cetera ad infinitum.. Someone please tell me what the fuck does any of that have to do with me. And please, I take responsibility for myself, not for anyone else, so if you answer be sure to tell me who am I(me personally) hurting except drug dealers who have one less customer. Failure to understand last paragraph will result in slander and ridicule in case of an improper answer.. PS: Remember, no-one sensible accuses all drinkers for the problems caused by drunks and bums, why should this be any different?
From: tomprochaska [tom prochaska]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 02:04
I think it's great,not because the drugs are legal,but because the way our American system fights these so called crimes seems irrational.Our taxes should be going to save the environment,end unnessesary suffering(hunger,homelessness) and education.This law is going to test the waters on seeing drugs legalized and see if its negative or positive on a society.I don't know and neither does our ignorant government,on its effects,who are sure to step up as the high horses of morality and say how evil,because they are a bunch of punk asses.Our American leaders are so humanitarian,yeah fucking right.I know you here me.
From: sumproduct
[fishrakes]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 03:54
"I certainly think we are going to see more drugs available in the United States" How the fuck can that even be possible? Why does this moral stance not surprise me? Easy campaign talk, but typically bullshit logic attached to it. If it was okay for the CIA to sell dope to fund 'insurgents' then I'm pretty sure Mexico can do what ever the hell it pleases within its own borders. Mexico, please tell the Americans to go fuck themselves.
From: oddser5050 [does the pass set up the run or does the run set up the pass?]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 04:45
A few million hard working Mexicans in exchange for a few million mentally comatose druggies sounds like a good exchange. A season or two of uninhibited meth or cocaine use will cure itself. Sounds like the illegal immigrant issue is going to solve itself.
From: conspiracy
[Theory]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 05:09
Odd are , I know more pot smokers than I think I do , and I only have 2 examples I can tell as true beyond a fact. My brother and his wife are full time "tokers". My brother lost a chance to work with the post office because he didn't pass "The Test" ( he thought he could "flush" his system with pickle juice (?)...she lost a job with the Governors office because she refused to take "The Test" , and I mean a high paying job , benefits , a car , and on and on ) To me , that kind of showed it WAS an addiction. You can disagree , but she now earns only $7.50 an hour , and zero benefits , my brother is doing wood work , at less than her. Also , when my brother gets stoned , he takes the story of how he met Bruce Lee ( true story , has a photo with him , autograph , the entire shot ) to how he trained with Bruce Lee for 2 years ( sometimes 1 year , other times , he was his sparing partner , he also some times claims to have gone to his funeral ) ... And his wife is UGLY , and has nothing going for her ,yells for no reason , claims the world is after her, yet he married her ( proves that his judgment is off ) .... she "meows" like a cat , and acts 10 when shes stoned , and she don't even give him sex , says it makes her feel like a whore (?) ) I believe drugs should be legal. But I cannot be convinced that drugs are harmless. I no my booze is harmful , and I'm not in denial about it. And on rotten not long ago , we all read the story of how a mother beat her daughter because she "took her stash" . That don't sound like "mellow" to me. Mean drunks , mean drug users , not much of a difference. But... In the end , it is OUR bodies. As always people... My Two Cents ©® (Flame on if you must , but bring facts )
From: athenstexman
[Ron]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 05:10
roblescatalan, The border towns are the armpit of Mexico. You know it and so do I. Mexico City is a polluted place with air so thick you could cut it some days. Rural areas seem cool to me, but I like the country. We gringos should only stick to Cokes and booze, no ice please. It has been years since we brought any ROHYPNOL home and maybe that did effect my spelling. But fill a fishbowl with them and invite the strippers over. Then see how deep you can stack naked titty dancers. But on this we do agree... "I like my stoner friends. Being a stoner is cool, much cooler than being a DRUNK."
From: evildave [Evil Dave]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 06:07
Sorry, conspiracy... I don't wanna 'dis' your family, but I think the operative word about your brother and his wife is: 'idiots'. Maybe pot does dull the senses, but I think they must've been more than a little dull to start with. I don't think anyone will make the argument that drugs are harmless, any more than anyone would argue that alcohol or tobacco are harmless. If it wasn't pot for them, something tells me it would be 'the booze' making them stupid, or 'the prescription drugs' making them stupid. Any excuse for stupidity besides simply being stupid will do... when you're stupid. Back on topic... I don't see why it's a surprise to anyone that Mexico rolled over on the whole 'war on drugs' thing. Most countries south of the border made drugs 'illegal' because the U.S. leaned on them HARD and made them do it. We even pushed our moronic drug agenda through the UN and made nations sign a treaty about 'bad' chemicals and 'good' chemicals, 'bad' plants and 'good' plants. Is it any wonder our foreign policy is so completely screwed over when we expect EVERY nation to jump every time someone convinces out govrernment to get its panties in a bunch over some profitable non-issue?
From: conspiracy
[Theory]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 06:21
evildave Trust me , my brother was never stupid , or dull , in his youth. ( I can't say nothing about his wife ) Again , as I said , pot smokers will always defend pot smoking. And a P.S. , My brother NEVER drinks , and is on NO DRUG except weed. Yep
From: theodread
[{One More Time}]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 06:42
You Know...I've said it before. http://forums.dailyrotten.com/051/00019991/_index.html#86831 I will say it again. "So how surprised is anyone here that I smoke pot? IMO, a joint is approximately two thirds of a gram; no tobacco added, thank you.
I wake at 5:30am. I smoke my first half joint by 7:30 as I need to be at work for 8. I smoke the second half of the joint at lunch. When I get home from work at anywhere from 4-6pm, I smoke another joint with my wife. My wife and I smoke at least two more joints before bed; three a lot of the time. We spend about $150.00CDN a week or roughly $7500.00 a year. I also Smoke cigarettes. At a pack a day at $8.00 a pack you can tack another $3000.00 on to the money I smoke every year.
Burn baby Burn
I always get a little depressed after crunching these particular numbers. I think...Damn, a fishing boat, an addition on the house, a 'weekend' car, a cottage on the lake...but then I smoke a joint and; you know, it's cool." As must be obvious by the my command of the English language and my wit and intelligence, MJ has not turned me into a lunatic. I do not steal for pot. My family does not go hungry or unfed. My 'dealer' is a paraplegic who supplements his disability pension by selling to a few friends. I really have to question who is being hurt here.
From: athenstexman
[Ron]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 07:02
I'm sure the senators and Mr. Fox are doing this just because they see the injustice of drug laws and care about the rights of the average Mexican citizen. Good for them for standing up to "W". And I wonder if the South American drug cartels got a PR firm to help convince the Mexican government to change the laws? That and a few billion dollars over a few years will sure change a bunch of things in Mexico. Mexican television will now be fully appreciated by the masses now.
From: headlesschrist
[decapitated messiah]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 07:50
Drug addicts should be organized into penal battalions, and sent over to that sweaty, unwashed asscrack otherwise known as the Middle East. In this manner we can kill two birds with one stone. Fuck Mexico, and fuck George W Bush
From: theodread
[{One More Time}]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 08:01
Off Topic Post Alert Being basically lazy I thought it would be an easy task to find the post I referenced in my previous comment. I thought to scan my old posts, hoping that the post was made after the 'purging'. (The 'purging' being that point in time when duder cleared a pile of comments. I don't know why, or where they went.They are still in the archives but they do not show up when you search. For example, I have in excess off 400 comments, yet only 82 matches show when I search my user-name.) Anyway, the comment I knew I had made was not made before the purging. I did not remember what day, or what thread the comment was made in. I certainly did not feel like scanning every thread for this post. Anyway to make a long story shorter, I googled my user-name and was able to search my past comments that way. Now, I only mention this because I recall that sirbutlust was somewhat taken aback by all of his past comments suddenly disappearing from the searchable database. At the time of the purging he was, I believe, treating us all to "Classic sirbutlust". I only mention this in hopes that Mr. Duff may take the time to revive his "Classic sirbutlust", as I know so many enjoy his unconventional insights. http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&hs=ejC&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official_s&q=+site:forums.dailyrotten.com+sirbutlust (just in case)
From: bigblunt4u [chile]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 08:11
damn straight, Mexico is doing the best thing possible to keep its population happy , its a well know fact that 60 to 80% of the population in Mexico or in the states has toked of sniffed something or is actually doing it right now, people shouldn't freak out about this as much as they should freak out about they'r own problems, hint.. (Iraq, Afganistan, North Korea, Iran? )
From: axollot
[sandy]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 08:27
[quote]'m smoked pot in Balboa Park, at Harbor & Market, 4th & Laurel, walking down Park Blvd, and also all over Mira Mesa.[end quote] Ahhh my old stomping ground! I lived in Cali from grade 3 through year 11, then moved to Australia, where if I had half a brain I would have stayed. BUT....Family pressure - being told my father was dieing (he is still alive 6 years later and no where NEAR death) brought me back to the states. I no longer care for Cali, the cost of living is way to fucking high. I am currently living in North Florida which is worse (because it is the south, laws are archaic, people are weird, as well as - its the south). The cost of living is much better here though. I would gladly move back to Australia, but I had to go and fall in love with an American. He loves the states, but hates the current fascist regime running the country. As do I. He is also set in his ways, despite being young, I think the fear of living in a country he doesn't know or properly understand keeps him from wanting to move. That and our parents. He said when our parents are no longer alive then he would consider it. It is true, my own mother would be devastated if I moved back to Australia as would his parents. So I hope to retire at the very least back in Australia (we are duel citizens and my own children would love to go back home *sigh*, me eldest is going back soon as he finishes school) The weed in Australia is as good as anything you would get in Amsterdam. Because it is an island the only way to get things into the country is by beach drops - while it works, its hardly practical. So most people grow their own with imported seeds (easier to smuggle in seeds than pounds of weed). So the weed I could get in Australia is 1000 times better than the weed available to me in Florida, cheaper even. If you actually got leaf in your bag in OZ, it will give you a better high than the 'regs' I get here in Florida. (although I have been to NYC and had REAL nice bud there so it must be my dumb luck to live in a place with crap weed too) There is little to no cocaine use in Australia for the same reason as listed above, but there is a HUGE heroin problem (Australia is one of the largest growers of opium for pharmaceutical use). At least 2 states have legal or decriminalized pot and almost all states have needle exchanges (so we can limit the amount of dirty needles floating about parks, beach's etc) In Australia's national capital, everything is legal. From prostitution to heroin clinics. That is what I call "progressive". It is obvious the current 'war on drugs' is not working, so when something isn't working - you try to fix it, not throw more money at it like they do here in the US. OK this is my sunday morning ramble.....my luck by the time I finish typing this, the site will be updated anyway!
From: jaindough
[Turdblossom]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 08:54
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 21:16
There are young, impressionable people here in this forum. It is your responsibility as an experienced person not to lead them astray with opinions taught as truth. You're joking right? This is Rotten in case you didn't remember.
From: ditt0 [0ttid]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 10:41
Alloxot: I live in North Florida but am going to college in Gainesville, if you want to find something other than regs look in a college town. In my hometown all we get are regs and the occasional good stuff but here there are no regs and we usually get really nice imported stuff.
From: ditt0 [0ttid]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 10:42
axollot* PS. How long have things been so legal in Australia?
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 11:53
JainDough, It doesn't matter where your are, or the circumstances otherwise, if children are about, you have a moral responsibility to them and yourself not to say or do things which are beyond their comprehension or which, by their emulation of you, might cause them to do harm to themselves or others. When Rotten is certain not to have immature minds in attendance, then you are justified in letting it all hang out. The others around you then will have sufficient emotional armor to protect themselves from you. In the meantime, put on your dunce-cap and resume your position in the corner.
From: sirbutlust
[mike duff]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 12:08
there are no new stories. so i will start a ramble about what i did last night. SIRBUTLUSTS FUN NIGHT AT SOME PARTY IN HAWTHORNE HIEGHTS NEW JERSEY WHERE SIRBUTLUST GOT REALLY DRUNK AND SHOULDNT REMEMBER IT AND ITS 230 PM (EST) AND HIS HEAD REALLY HURTS. i webt to my friends 31st birthday party. i knew a lot of people but didnt know a lot of the single chics. this is due to that i dont drink on weekdays so i never hanged out at them at the bar when they go. i went with my roomate nad she was upstairs smoking pot. then her ex showed up. this was very awkward. then i tried hackey sacking for the first time in ten years. i was awesome at it in college (see my grades to verify) but now at 29 i found it harder to do. i think i did something to my leg. i then got slaughtered at darts by some bald guy that must play darts way too much. then i was about nine beers and a few shots in and i started toget sloppy. the few people that knew me at the party would be telling other people to listen to all the weird shit i say. the people would then look at me and listen to me talk. id say somethng like "hi hows it going, im mike. its a pleasure to meet you" and smile. the people would say "mike say something weird" andi wouldnt . it was like looney tunes with hte singing frog that would aonly sing infront of certian people. rumor had it i was supposed to draw a birthday card adn caricture for the guy. i never did due to laziness. i could have used my drawing skills to pick up chics that werent aware i was there. i mentioned to my punk music freind that hawthorne hieghts was the name of some crappy band that might be actually from ohio. he reassured me they were from ohio but frowned upon me saying htey were a wuss band. then the black people showed up. since none of the girls knew mw or talked ot me i engaged this black guy in a very deep conversation. he was wearing a washington nationals hat. i had my brown padres hat on. i said to him "do people ever ask you if your a nationals fan because of your hat" and he said no and he s a yankee fan. i said "well everyone is asking me why im a padres fan and i tell them i like brown hats becuas they accent my eyes but with you everyone knows its for fashion. this is because your black. if i was black everyone would know my padres hat was for fashoin and not for team support" he found this opinion very deep and informative and agreed. then the other black guy was to my surprise this kid who used to play basket ball with me when i was in high school. he was horrible though his dad was an ex nba allstar with the new jersey nets. i used toblock all his shots all the time. i told him how he could probably beat the living crap out of me now but i used to dominate him on the court. the chic he was trying to pick up found this funny, but he didnt. so any how i went upstaris and actuall y took a hit of weed. it tasted like crap. then i was sitting on the couch talking to some larger girl i know. i was really drunk and fell asleep and woke up next ot her at 7 am. when i woke up i saw what i realized what i was doing when i fell asleep when i saw the big girl next to me. i guess its the same as when someone dies while they are preparing an english muffin nad they look down from heaven or hell and see there body spread on the kitchen floor wit ha english muffin strewn on the floor. so anyhow i am real hungover and my head hurts. i have avenge seven fold "the beast and the harlet" stuckin my head. that wierd guitar or something they playin there songs doesnt help my headache. this is the first party ive been to in year, the last beign that party i went ot in the same town and woke up in the paterson new jersey border once under a bridge where im assuming i lost my new tampa bay buccaneer hat(blackout moment remember passing out under bridge dont remember leaving) and then wakingupi n the morning in "hawthorne radiator repairs" alley in a pile of cardboard boxes. i now have to begin my day of pooping a lot. chaser two is supposed to help wit hhangovers but they never mention if they stop frequent after partying pooping.
From: sandywoods [Andrew Woods]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 12:17
The police were chasing a car at high speed, when it skidded off the road, and hit a tree, killing the driver. A postmortem examination revealed, that the driver had been taking drugs shortly before the accident, speed and then smack.
From: easygirl
[cheryl]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 12:25
Thank you sirbutlust that was better than a new story .The only team in baseball is the Yankees.Jeeter is going to be elected pope soon.
From: absintheredux
[Green Death]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 12:36
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 29-Apr-2006 23:27
Green Death:
Forgive me for trying to inject a balanced viewpoint. You as well as I, know that we don't have time in this forum to assemble citations. The "facts" I've presented are there for anyone who wants to take the time to verify them. (google them yourself)
My "anecdotal" obsrvation was presented as nothing more than that, and the conclusion, obvious, as my own experience.
Your hostility to these observations is also obvious. Your reaction, in this manner, to my "anti-marijuana" statements, is typical of a marijuanista having his potdreams assaulted.
You sound so reasonable otherwise. .............................................................. Your hostility to these observations is also obvious. Your reaction, in this manner, to my "anti-marijuana" statements, is typical of a marijuanista having his potdreams assaulted. There we go with the same total lack of logic. Lemme see: You are stating that my being annoyed at your statements is proof that I am a "typical" pothead. That is a non sequitur. Did it not occur to you, after reading my post, that my irritation might be based upon your glaring lack of critical reasoning? You base your argument on an appeal to anonymous authorities that you cannot/will not identify. You claim to special expertise based upon "30 yrs of toking". This *of itself* does not give you special expertise, else every dog would be an expert on the life cycle of the flea. Far too tiresome to pursue. BTW I sometimes smoke grass, sometimes drink, use a motorcycle as my fav transportation, enjoy skydiving and SCUBA -- This does not mean that I am a pothead, a drunk, nor harbor a death wish -- Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and irritation at "arguments" that would get a high school frosh kicked off the third string debating team is that, just that and no more.
From: juliodabitch [gypsy dances is not of the rom]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 12:47
Sir but lust is an over rated drunk .
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 12:50
Gee GreenDeath, I guess I needed to be put in my place. Thank you for telling me my shit stinks. You were so much more friendly and willing to accept my ninth-grade wisdom when it agreed with your viewpoint. Whazzamatta? The nits itchin' yo' ass?
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 12:59
Hey Julio, haven't heard from you in awhile. Did you have any luck with that liver transplant?
From: juliohebitch [juliohebitch]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 12:59
Drugs make people go .. "Fuckady Fuckady fuck fuck fuck" So does a lack of them
From: sirbutlust
[mike duff]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 13:07
From: juliodabitch [gypsy dances is not of the rom] Date: 30-Apr-2006 12:47 Sir but lust is an over rated drunk . _________________________________________________ i have finally been recognized by juliodabitch. it took a while but i did it. its comment will be printed and posted on my wall for all to see. i will now give my speech. fellow rotteneers.... today i have recieved what many of you consider the greatest honor. julio insulted me yet never said the f word once. since the dawn of time man has..............
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 13:09
The truth is always very simple, without qualification.
From: juliodabitch [gypsy dances is not of the rom]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 13:28
Sirbutlust fuck you ,you stupid drunk fuck you being the leader of all irish drunk fucks should fucking know fucking better than to fucking mention my fucking name without offering to suck my fucking cock you drunk irish fuck.Fuck you.
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 13:33
Bushjaw, I refer you to "The Great Book of Hemp" by Rowan Robinson. My information is far from anecdotal. I smoke weed for a number of health reasons and I see it as a way to be a conscientious objector to absurd and useless drug laws. You seem to have a personal ax to grind about marijuana or drug use. Legality doesn't effect whether the individual uses a particular substance or not. Preference does. I also don't think marijuana fits the criteria of an actual drug. If it does, so does coffee, sugar, basil, lemon, and a variety of other foods. I reiterate, marijuana does not cause the drastic and detrimental personality changes that are seen with other mind altering substances, even legal ones. Legalize all drugs and you effectively remove them from the hands of the criminal element.
From: ozzeh [brett]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 13:48
hahahah fuck yeah!! Fuck amsterdam & jamaica me and my friends are going to mexico... legal blow? I'm all in
From: juliodabitch [gypsy dances is not of the rom]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 13:58
The sad reality is that drugs do effect you're personality and productivity in the world . I have made several post that insult every one and that is a joke ,just like all of you I'm a real person with a real life and I don't mean pretty much any thing I say on here it's only meant to annoy or entertain . But. Drugs are not a harmless pastime ,if they we're they would be legal there is nothing under the sun that man has not tried to ingest attempting achieve an altered state.Drugs are not new every generation since time began thinks there new .And after a lot of trial and error the consensus is that drugs are bad for a productive society . I hate conspiracy because he is a hypocrite and a serial killer sanctioned by the government ,but he is not a stupid person and has to live with his own conscience , his brother from what I glean from my limited information from cons. is probably just as smart as him (cons.) the only difference being long time marijuana use . A perfect example that should tell all that a six pack is a six pack and drugs are and always will be illegal.
From: jususfuckr [KWH]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 14:11
Legalizing it wont stop the criminals. In Panama they fight over the damn land to grow shit on. If more people get into using and selling it because it becomes a little bit more legal, then the harder criminals and gang members are gonna commit more serious crimes to get rid of the competition. I spent 3 years at Ft. Clayton and while I cannot say that statistically speaking all the problems centered around dumb asses with "drugs" I can say that most of the incidents I responded to did. There is obviously a big difference in the 40 something year old once in a while toker who has a grip on his or her life, and the dumb punk juvenile who lights up constantly because they would rather be high or productive. I just got back from visiting such an individual I am related to who tried to kill himself because his family got sick of his lying, stealing and being high and he figured he ain't no good for anything else. Sad thing is I think he is right. He made all the wrong choices but he sure loves the drugs.
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 14:38
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened] Date: 30-Apr-2006 13:33 Bushjaw, I refer you to "The Great Book of Hemp" by Rowan Robinson. My information is far from anecdotal. [I have not read this book. Thank you for your referral.] I smoke weed for a number of health reasons and I see it as a way to be a conscientious objector to absurd and useless drug laws. You seem to have a personal ax to grind about marijuana or drug use. Legality doesn't effect whether the individual uses a particular substance or not. Preference does. [During Prohibition (Volstead Act) the number of people imbibing went down although the volume of fermented and distilled spirits consumed went up, showing that the "Noble Experiment" failed in its basic aims. This also shows that legality of an activity has an effect on those who do it.] I also don't think marijuana fits the criteria of an actual drug. If it does, so does coffee, sugar, basil, lemon, and a variety of other foods. [The FDA says that a drug is any substance or device that causes a metabolic change in the body. All "drugs" classed as illegal meet this definition, as well as nicotine, caffeine, chocolate, tea, many spices and other foods, and probably television.] I reiterate, marijuana does not cause the drastic and detrimental personality changes that are seen with other mind altering substances, even legal ones. [Opinions on this point differ widely. Many "drugs" cause or are contributing factors in types of social alienation and disconnection from reality. Often these effects are so subtle that the average untrained person does not perceive them in himself or others. More research must be done, but the answers will not be found soon.] Legalize all drugs and you effectively remove them from the hands of the criminal element. [That goes without saying. Decriminalize an activity, et voilà, no criminals. Recall the criminal organizations spawned and nourished by Alcohol Prohibition. Most of these organizations are still around today and could be shown to be a significant factor in an apparent corruption of public morals and government. A workable plan to control corruptive criminal influence (by former drug dealers) from our institutions must be in place before legalizing marijuana. Those ideologues who would not legalize marijuana are the main stumbling block preventing a rational recreational drug policy in this country.] In sum, I have no personal axe to grind in any perceived suppression of marijuana usage by others. I partook of it (and other drugs) for several years and will not condemn others solely upon their drug use. I do feel that most drug users have not done the necessary research on drugs which would qualify them as having fully-informed consent about usage.
From: juliodabitch [gypsy dances is not of the rom]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 15:02
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete Opinions are like assholes every ones got one you suck and you probably take dope.
From: acidpope33
[lucan]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 15:30
http://www.grandpaspotbook.com/....funny assed site i found....ummmmby the way anybody seen my bag i seem to have misplaced it....oh well im gonna vote for Sirbutlust in 2008
From: welshboy [blaenau gwent council]
Date: 30-Apr-2006 15:53
Sirbutlust, from your post, you seem to be pished (pissed)! Have you had too much to drink, or did you not use the spell checker, I have had a few cans of lager, but I can still type o.k. so you must have had a skinfull?
From: nekoturk [Amy]
Date: 1-May-2006 04:10
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/115824/addict_sponge_bob/#
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 1-May-2006 10:40
Yes, there are bad side effects, personal and societal, associated with the use of drugs, be it alcohol, marijuana, or heroin, but history is proving that prohibition has worse side effects than some of those drugs.
From: iguanac64 [Itchy Carter]
Date: 2-May-2006 14:41
This message is mostly to Bushjaw: First off, I haven't touched weed myself in a little over 10 years....before that I smoked it somewhat regularly for 4 years. I feel like you do, Bushjaw...that I'm unproductive and unmotivated to do much while smoking pot. I also realized that I can not hold down a decent job and smoke pot because eventually you get a drug test...or you have an opportunity at a great job and you have to pass because you can't pass a drug test. I come from a semi-hippy family with parents that both smoked pot and did various other drugs in small amounts. One parent smoked...both parents drank small amounts of alcohol. In general...they were pretty permissive because I wasn't running around being a dumbfuck (for the most part =). Thankfully, I never started smoking. I may drink some fruity Smirnoff cooler once every couple of months...other than that...no alcohol. And, I don't do drugs because I have a family to take care of. Even if it was legal, I don't see myself smoking much pot (maybe on the order that I drink alcohol)...and maybe acid or exctasy one or two times a year. I'm a prime candidate to be a huge pothead...yet...I'm not. My parents had an honest, balanced talk with me about drugs when I was a kid. Education will do more towards keeping kids off drugs than drug laws...real education...not the alarmist bullshit you hear in schools. Your brother has made some bad life decisions...it's easy to blame on pot, but pot is more likely the effect of your brother's decisions and his life...not the cause. Medically, marijuana is many, many times safer than alcohol...probably better for you than tobacco because I've never met someone who smokes marijuana in the same quantities as they do cigarettes. Your stereotype of potheads is prolly as wrong as it is right...meaning it's a pretty shitty way to make the decision that pot should be illegal IMO. Nobody except a pothead is going to argue that pot is good for you, but we do plenty of things that are worse for us than smoking pot that aren't illegal. Supporting the illegalization of drugs means you: 1) Support jamming our court and prison systems with non-violent offenders 2) Support the criminality/violence that is not directly related to taking drugs, but is related by association (prostitution, terrorism, gangs, etc). The idea that "Of course you have less crime because you make what was a crime NOT a crime" is too simplistic. Because marijuana is illegal, you end up in the company of people who ARE doing truly dangerous things if you want to smoke a joint. You end up as a side target for police who are trying to stop people who really ARE a threat to society. You learn not to trust authority figures because a lot of times they are more interested in furthering their career than helping society. You also get desensitized to crime and increase your chances of becoming a criminal...not because you're a pothead, but because you're hanging out with criminals. Then there's the money involved. I just talked to a drug dealer...and his point was that he doesn't want drugs legal either. If they were legal, he couldn't make the money he was making selling them. If they were legal, gangs would have financial incentives to form. The anti-drug commercials are right that terrorist organizations make most of their money from the sale of illegal drugs...what they don't mention is that they can make that money BECAUSE they are illegal. If I was a pothead and I could grow pot in my back yard...I would need to buy pot that possibly came from a terrorist. They make their money off the illegality of drugs. If drugs were legal, they'd have little to no financial incentive to lie, cheat, steal, and kill on a grand scale. The old-school mafia adapted...using them as proof because they still exist is wrong because they switched to drugs...they don't make their money on alcohol. Legalizing drugs and prostitution would likely bankrupt every gang/mafia out there. Then there's the billions we throw away on the "War on Drugs" that would be way more effective if redirected towards REAL education programs and not the "Reefer Madness"-like bullshit I went through during school.
From: bushjaw [Hate is Obsolete]
Date: 3-May-2006 12:01
iguanac64 [Itchy Carter]: Essentially, you and I are in agreement. However, I detect from your words that you believe me to be opposed to most of your viewpoints. Excuse me if my attempt at communication has been sloppy.
From: mightymario [Mario]
Date: 3-May-2006 16:50
Let's leave reality to those who can't deal with drugs !
Updated: 5-May-2006 13:58
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