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From: megaloid [Mega Loid]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 03:38

I remember seeing a documentary about the construction of the Golden Gate bridge. One of the more interesting interviews was with a worker who recounted his brush with death when he fell and landed on the safety net. The tools on his utility belt caught upon the webbing, slicing a gash large enough for him to continue on his way to the water. They fished him out and he went back to work.:

"...AND WE LIKED IT! NOWADAYS, all you youngsters WHIMPER and WHINE when you fall 120 feet--'OOH, I FELL and all my internal organs are ruptured! OHH...'

But WE didn't complain. WE had a job and we were DAMNED GLAD to have it..."

Sorry, that dialog was made up. Serious, kids: do not jump off the bridge. It will rupture your internal organs and you will drown. Suicide is not the answer. Remember, there is no situation so bad that cannot be remedied with drugs and alcohol.

From: splittheatom [Assless]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 03:42

"Holmes says he was born without a "nasty" gene. That is to say, he is not bothered by things most people would consider nasty".

Somehow that description seems vaguely familiar.

"I've always been a little different," she (Pam Carter) said. "Just talking about it makes me realize I'm not as normal as everyone else is."

Oh shit, ditto!

"Milikin, a never-married taxi driver, wrote of politics and conspiracies. "LH Oswald was innocent!" he wrote. He complained about the Bush administration, the loss of civil liberties and the rise of fascism in the United States".

Jeez, now it's just getting creepy.

From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 05:03

Isn't there someone we can sue for making the water too hard or the bridge too high?

From: sbeane [Sawney]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 05:30

Ouch... nice description of how death occurs. Almost makes "suicide by cop" seem like a back massage by comparison.

From: antinomianist [AERDNA]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 05:32

This just shows if you try to kill yourself - do it right people! You sure as hell don't want to survive that because whatever problems you had before, insides on the outsides are worse.

From: genitaliaofsatan [Mr. Genitalia to you, pal]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 05:50

"For finding and retrieving bodies, time is of the essence. The sea reclaims bodies quickly. Fish eat them. Not just sharks, but little fish. They eat the eyes and other tender parts. As the body decays and opens up, all manner of sea creatures move in to feed. Eventually, the body comes apart. "

I was going to post that this article could have been better if it had mentioned some sort of damage to the eyes. For once, I read the article, and I was rewarded with the tale of the fishies feasting on the eyeballs.

"Some people seem to think that jumping off the bridge is a light, airy way to end your life, like going to join the angels," said Marin County Coroner Ken Holmes"

Had Ken Holmes said "airy-fairy", all hell would have broken loose in S.F.

From: canadagirl78 [God, make me chaste. But not yet.]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 05:54

"This article is part of a weepy series about jumpin' off the Golden Gate Bridge."

Is this trying to persuade people not to jump? Cuz if I were suicidal, this article basically sounds fucking great!! Free floating internal organs all bloody and wrecked, bones sticking into soft tissue and the chance of asphyxiation?

I bet there's a line up on the bridge right now...

From: popo [insert witticism]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 05:55

In the salad days we used to jump off a trestle that was about 120 feet high. Damn. Wear shoes and hope for the best. River looked like a little blue ribbon between the two cliffs. I had a friend break a few ribs, all I did was bruise my feet. I did have the joy of seeing both front teeth fly out in the instant before my head went under water flipping off the 90 foot cliff jump part of the place. It's too big to fence off, so every year 2-3 people die in interesting ways there. Apparently the older trestle was dynamited into the river, so people occasionally spear themselves on the debris and simply don't come back to the surface.

Ahhh youth.

From: jock [Jock]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 06:01

Even if you land feet first the last thing to go through your mind must be your asshole.

From: donkeyhotey [sir vantes]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 06:08

"In other words, you die the same way as someone hit by a car."

Mmmm....excpet without that "frothy mucus bubbling from the nose" bit, right?

From: boredartist [Rob Johnson]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 06:13

She remembers the woman who jumped off the bridge and took a gun with her. She shot herself in the head on the way down.

That is one hell of a way to do it.Nobody can call that a cry for help.

From: kittie [veil of honesty, how convoluted can you get?]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 06:25

which reminds me why katie holmes is on suicide watch, after all, carrying the devil's spawn can not be psychologically healthy.

From: krazymissi [krazy missi]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 06:34

From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 05:03

Isn't there someone we can sue for making the water too hard or the bridge too high?

LMAO!

From: godisintheatm [Through me you pass into the city of woe]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 07:02

I found this article very educational....I've heard that striking water at high enough velocity is akin to striking concrete, but you never hear what the results of said impact are. I mean, if you are determined to go, the proper impact angle can result in an instantaneous, painless death. And your worried why you started-dressing-in-black and wearing-eyeliner-when-you're-a-middle-class-young-man parents won't have a blood-splattered bathroom to clean up. Too many hyphens, sorry.

From: rocco [I'm the funny man!]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 07:28

I really do love all of the graphic details. They appeal to my morbid sense of curiosity!

From: thumsum [Giv' em some thumb]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 08:27

Yeah, i've known two jumpers and neither went right. First guy 'dry jumped' 100ft onto soil. Lived long enough to crawl half way back up before he bit the biscuit. The second landed in mud. There is either a long wait for the tide or strugle and asphyxiate. He chose the latter. I don't know if he didn't scream or if no one could hear him. Why do i know so many suicides?(glances around room)

From: richardcranium [Phil McCracken]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 09:33

I would take some sleeping pills then run the car in the garage.

But, I'm like the previous poster - Drugs/alcohol work for me but I guess some people aren't that lucky :(

From: ouroboros [Devolution]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 09:49

"In 1993, a man killed his wife at their home, took their daughter to the bridge and tossed her over the side. Then he jumped in after her."

I don't know about you guys, but that image is going to haunt me for the rest of the day.

On a related note, I remember reading once that 90% of jumpers that survive recall having thought, "Holy shit, what have I done?" the moment AFTER stepping/jumping off. That's gotta be a shitty ride down.

From: monce [Monce]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 09:51

If you want to end it all make sure you do it right. Get a 12 guage shot gun, tie a noose around your neck, tie the end on something that could hold the shock of your weight plumiting to atleast 3 feet. Pour gasoline all over your body. Take a good swig of gasoline and hold it in your mouth. Place the barrel of the shot gun under your chin. Take one step forward. In mid flight, pull trigger. If all you poor souls wanna do it, do it right for Christ sake

From: popo [insert witticism]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 10:00

suicide by cop is always an attractive option and allows much leeway for inventiveness.

From: lordpakul [Lord Pakul]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 10:17

[finalexit.org]

From: lordpakul [Lord Pakul]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 10:18

From: inhalien [Chevy Chase]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 11:17

"The body goes from roughly 75 to 80 mph to nearly zero in a nanosecond."

I would say that depends.

Granted the highest cliff I've jumped off, into water, was about 70 feet. If you hit feet first, with shoes on, you don't slow to nearly zero, but if you land right, you torpedo underwater about 20 feet. I have had the wind knocked out of me, and I have jumped without looking and barely missed going through the bottom of a canoe passing by. Those were the days...

From: conspiracy [Theory]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 11:23

Long Winded Story Made Short ....

Many Moons ago , I was stationed on TI ( Treasure Island ), it was a Navel base between Frisco & Oakland , it was/is where the two bridges met. ( Oakland Bridge & Golden Gate ).

I was OD for the day , and a body was found that had jumped off the bridge , and missed the water.
It didn't even look human. ( I HAD to show up , I was the OD )

We had to guard it till the cops / fire dept. / ambulance came. ( from wild cannibals I guess , or to make sure it didn't leave ?)

It looked like something that you find on the butcher room floor.

As they collected the remains , it turned out it was 2 people. ( Romantic , ain't it )

And P.S. I heard that they moved the mess hall because of bodies falling thru the roof , ( could be bullshit , I was only there for 6 months as "punishment")

My Two Cents

From: lollercaust [Lollercaust]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 11:39

"It's a very touchy thing," said Coast Guard spokesman Roger Gayman.

Those bullies did not have to be creative...

From: inhalien [Chevy Chase]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 11:48

After reading the injuries list, it could explain why A) I have a compressed vertebrae in my spine, and B) I can no longer jump on trampolines as it hurts my kidneys.
(blushes at his trailer park stupidity)

From: elastic [here goes my2cents]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 13:13

LP I love the jumper on on ur comment...lol

Slipping away
Under a moon
Into the dark
Cant think of a reason to stay alive
I jump
Death is near
End

From: hunkahunka [burnin'love]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 13:20

Our town council had to put a tunnel put on the stretch of road that runs under our local bridge...too many bodies landing in the road.

Most of the jumpers land in the mud, where they are mocked until the tide takes them...oh but we are short of entertainment here....

From: jayjg [Jayjg the Jew]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 13:33

Hey "conspiracy [Theory]", you were only there for 6 months but you should know that the Golden Gate Bridge does not touch Treasure Island. You must be thinking of the two spans of the Bay Bridge. I know San Francisco having sirkimcized every dick I could find there with my tongue.

From: drmstrspoodle [Daremaster Spoodle]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 13:35

Sorry to say, but, hey, at least the jumpers aren't gathering a small arsenal and taking out a group of innocent people with them for no reason. If we can look at anything good out of this, let it be that.

From: ikthool [ikthool]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 13:41

These people(the jumpers) should be appluaded.If your depressed do everyone else a favor and kill yourself,no one wants to haer your shit,but the guy who attempted to kill himself by driving into traffic should have been flayed alive immediatly.

From: divameister [divameister]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 14:04

Bridges don't kill people-people kill themselves. These changes are only being encouraged by a small group trying to tag along in history because THEY changed the golden gate bridge-a world landmark. If they truly wanted to help these folks-how about starting BEFORE they get to the bridge, i.e. - their last stop. Why do they have to be hanging off a bridge before someone will help-particularly the big big big loser who had the nerve to be quoted in one of the articles (some asswipe student) as having a cousin who jumped-my ONLY reaction was too bad he didn't try actually helping his cousin instead of using such a personal matter in such an obviously selfserving manner.

From: popo [insert witticism]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 14:16

blastproof martyrdom booths.

From: onceused [onceused]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 14:17

"The body goes from roughly 75 to 80 mph to nearly zero in a nanosecond."

mmm, makes much difference if you go 75 or 80 if you decellerate in a nanosecond. yeah I want to see that 100000000 g acceleration

From: trevor1234 [Trevor McPherson]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 14:56

Hmmmm....pleasant

From: pontiuspilatus [Pontius Phallus Pilatius]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 15:05

Could we build more bridges in America and Africa? And 3000 in Jerusalem

From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 15:28

Life is short enough, why hurry it along? Do these people realize that once your dead, that's it, end of story? If things are that bad, just disappear, & start over, & try to get it right this time. Some things I will just never understand.

From: maidenmaiden [whatever]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 15:29

Lord P-
again, too cool.

From: kkkisheretostay [okgokg]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 15:57

I always heard pills,a warm bath, and some severed veins is the most pleasant way to go. The pills either relax you to the point of not caring or sleeping,the warm bath counter acts the cold feeling of blood loss.

I guess it is not spontaneous enough in that you could call 911 and survive.

From: beavis4000 [Who?]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 16:00

looks like alt.suicide.holiday is still up... but barely.

From: tsentsen [tsentsen]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 16:46

When a person takes their own life it is their own 'final solution'. It is usually something that has been on the back burner for quite some time. When the decision is finally made, the individual experiences a very profound sense of peace. It is not uncommon for the acquaintances and family of these folks to become perplexed. So & so seemed so happy...or so & so seemed to have 'turned the corner'.
I once knew a very successful realtor. She made $$ hand over fist. She drove a beautiful luxury car. She had an opulent condominium with a splendid view. Who would have thought it of her, that one day she would shoot herself in the temple. And before shooting herself she had made sure that she had positioned herself in such a way that she would topple from the balcony of that very opulent condominium which was located on the tenth floor.
She was very serious about her decision and she carried it out. Hers was not the 'cry for help' of a wrist slashed crossways instead of lengthwise, or attempting to overdose on some sort of drug.
The taking of one's own life is more often than not an internal dilemma, usually without warning as so falsely portrayed by hollywood. It is something that the individual both wants and needs at that point in time. The person just does not want to do life anymore.

From: thumsum [Giv' em some thumb]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 16:55

jimjones, i totally agree with you. What is going through a persons head that is so big they can't just pull a Lord Lucan? When i look at the stars I feel insignificant. That means whatever happens means nothing really, hence just enjoy the ride for all it's worth and damn the concequences...

Then get frozen and re-animated as a zombie assassin. Cool.

From: retardedmonkey [ISeeYouWhenYouSleep]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 17:10

The deceleration comment is a tad out of line.

mass of object(MO) * acceleration of gravity(G) = theoretic terminal velocity (TV)

factor for drag and attitude = factored velocity (FV)

MO * FV = kenitic energy (KE)

KE * area of impact = pressure (P)

80mph is ~117ft/s^-1. A 150 pound person striking the water feet first in a sailors dive is going to impart far less P to their body than the same person going in flat. The deceleration is happeneing on a scale of 1/100's of seconds not 1000 or 10000. Yes you can study at that level but the graph would look very verticle and yeaild no real usable results. The problem is not the mass of the jumper or the speed at impact but the viscosity of the water. I'd rather take this jump into something like acetone -in theory- becasue I would be able displace more of it faster. And yes, hitting water at around 100mph is an awful lot like hitting concrete. Surface tension and viscosity being what they are.

We've had a few jumpers try to take headers off of bridges by me and for some odd reason they think ~30 feet is enough to do the job. 30 feet folks is enough to go through one acceleration phase. Gravity being ~32ft/s^2, you are kissing the ~12ft deep water at around 22mph. A tough hit but unless you hit right you are't going to die. Water rescue is always shit work. Ice rescue isn't much better... all the fun a water rescue and now you feel like you're going to die as well. But nothing makes someone feel better than telling them that if they don't do what you say they are going to die... take the fight right out of them. That is of course if they are interested in living. Had one who wasen't and she refused to play along kept trying to get away from me. Capt'n I have no idea where the gash on the head came from, must have hit it on the car on impact.

From: theodread [{One More Time}]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 17:29

The Bridges are fine. What realy needs to be changed are the laws and attitudes of western societies. If One is experiencing an overwhelming "pain" in their existance, be it physical, emotional, spirtual, or mental, they should by all means be afforded the Right to end that existance at any time they see fit. Making it a crime or sin or social faux pas to commit suicide is what leads to bodies raining down.

Dr. Morgentaller was all about Quality of Life....when the quality isn't there..there really isn't much of a life.

From: sirbutlust [mike duff]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 17:47

i remember the cartoon ghostbusters (the real ones not teh one with tracey the ape) and the ghostbusters were in some world with the hot chics that cut the string that determines ones life length. anywho they then released the ghostbusters to the real world. the only problem was it was a few hundred feet above a lake. plummeting at great speed and being the dumbass he always was,ray said "oh well be alright well land in the water" and egon said "no you idiot thats like hitting pavement at 80 miles an hour." so hte way they solved this was shooting at the water with there guns and crossing hte streams making hte water more cushiony. if you fall of a bridge remember this story. perhaps thats why i did,

From: richardcranium [Phil McCracken]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 17:54

I knew a few people who attempted suicide. Their efforts were so lame. One was a close friend who took a bunch of antidepressants or sleeping pills or something like that. I told people that I thought lots of people knew that it's pretty hard to OD on certain meds (valium, for instance) and, yet, you could take a few bottles of Tylenol and die of kidney failure.

I think it should be as legal as abortion (not OK for every single case of pregnancy, but no doubts for some cases).

From: splittheatom [Assless]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 18:20

"...you could take a few bottles of Tylenol and die of kidney failure".

Actually, tylenol (acetominophen) overdose causes liver failure due to exhaustion of a key liver enzyme system.
Liver failure is definitely not a pleasant way to go.

From: americanwoman [Gina]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 18:49

From: kkkisheretostay [okgokg]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 15:57
,the warm bath counter acts the cold feeling of blood loss.

the water is to keep your blood from clotting. just so you know

From: naeramarth [boredom kills]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 21:07

We had a building jumper last year, ten floors up. She landed feet first. Her spine turned into an accordian and her lower leg bones lodged into her pelvis. It was great. The part in the article about the kid turned my stomach though. A while back here in San Diego a woman was released early from a psych hold, shot her ex, killed his girlfriend and her cowworker, kidnapped her two year old daughter, and tossed her off the coronado bay bridge. Too bad the bitch didnt toss herself over too.

From: conspiracy [Theory]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 21:20

From: jayjg [Jayjg the Jew]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 13:33

Hey "conspiracy [Theory]", you were only there for 6 months but you should know that the Golden Gate Bridge does not touch Treasure Island. You must be thinking of the two spans of the Bay Bridge. I know San Francisco having sirkimcized every dick I could find there with my tongue.

The cocksucker might be right.

( all in fun )

My Two Cents

From: mljohns00 [Radical Conservative]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 21:31

lordpakul:
Kewl animated .GIF!

From: rslip [joe]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 21:31

"In 1993, a man killed his wife at their home, took their daughter to the bridge and tossed her over the side. Then he jumped in after her."

That image in my mind still haunts me.

I had a daughter about the same age at the time and I can't imagine throwing her off the GG Bridge no matter how suicidal I felt.

From: rslip [joe]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 21:38

Many Moons ago , I was stationed on TI ( Treasure Island ), it was a Navel base between Frisco & Oakland , it was/is where the two bridges met. ( Oakland Bridge & Golden Gate ).

WTF are you jabbering about?

The GG Bridge and the Oakland Bay Bridge "don't meet" anywhere, grab a map of the SF Bay Area and see for yourself.

btw: only uneducated hicks call San Francisco ..."Frisco".

From: conspiracy [Theory]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 21:57

From: rslip [joe]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 21:38

Many Moons ago , I was stationed on TI ( Treasure Island ), it was a Navel base between Frisco & Oakland , it was/is where the two bridges met. ( Oakland Bridge & Golden Gate ).

WTF are you jabbering about?

The GG Bridge and the Oakland Bay Bridge "don't meet" anywhere, grab a map of the SF Bay Area and see for yourself.

btw: only uneducated hicks call San Francisco ..."Frisco".
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I have already been corrected about that ( you should read the posts ?? ) I never took enough of an interest in the area to study further , and I took the correction happily ... And the bridge part was a minor part of the story ... is this what you do all day ? Nit Pic ? Must be a joy to live with.
And I'm not uneducated , "Frisco" was the term used in the military to denote that area ... Old habits die hard ....

My Two Cents

From: necrophiliac [coldone]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 22:53

can I put a diving board on the bridge?

From: conspiracy [Theory]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 23:00

[katu.com]

Related story...

From: conspiracy [Theory]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 23:02

[cnn.com]

And another

From: coprophiliac [coprophiliac]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 00:08

How high is the golden gate bridge anyways? I met a guy once who jumped off the sydney harbour bridge and survived - although the water shot up his ass and tore up his colon.

From: drpangloss [youareallgay]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 01:24

Obviously the Chronicle is in favor of the barriers, if you read the first
article in the series. They call it an "epidemic of death." What bullshit.
Barely 2,000 jumpers in almost 70 years? I'd say those are acceptable losses,
considering what living in that city (SF) does to your body, soul, and bank account. And... the story fails to mention the brilliant documentary film, that will never be seen, made by placing cameras under the auspices of filming
pedestrians but instead caught the morbid spectacle of jumping "sans bungee."

As far as the Chronicle's reasoning that if they couldn't jump, then it would be more difficult to off yourself, I offer some options: run up and down Mission yelling "beaners!" or take the late bus out to Hunter's Point with a klan hood on. Or, if yer an ethnic flavor, go to the Marina and piss on a Jetta in front of Starbucks (or the Gap) whilst yelling "death to whitey!"

Also, for you nonresidents, every few years, some local band names themselves the "Golden Gate Jumpers" or "SF Jumpers" or something, and then the snobby
music writers in the Guardian/Weekly reveal how they lack any and all sense of humor, and then the band changes their name to "Counting Crows" or some crap name for a crap band anyway. Whatever. Now go jump.

From: antinomianist [AERDNA]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 04:11

From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 4-Nov-2005 15:28

"Life is short enough"
Hmmmm OR its the longest thing anyone can experience.....

From: backuptheholler [Junebug James]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 05:18

I have to wonder how often car "accidents" are really death by vehicle...a couple months ago a local fucktard was having an argument with his girlfriend who was driving at the time. He decided to end it all and jerked the steering wheel, smashing head-on at 55MPH into an oncoming vehicle, also doing 55MPH. The woman and her granddaughter in the other car and his girlfriend were dead at the scene. The fucktard survived to tell his tale of woe. Unfortunately, he's not brain dead so that somebody can pull the plug but just crippled up enough to never have to work again...of course, his case is still going through the courts, so no matter how much jail time he does, the rest of us will be paying for his sorry ass the rest of his life. Then there was my own cousin who ran his car at, police estimate, about 75MPH under a moving big rig in an effort to kill himself. He lingered for a couple days before expiring. At least the truck driver wasn't injured physically. Hells bells, if you want to off yourself, do it in a way that doesn't kill other people. Take my dad when the years of being a good-time Charlie and partying hard had finally caught up to him...he called the police to let them know where to find his body (didn't want the wife or kids to see it), covered his head with a pillow to reduce the mess, then shot himself in the head.

From: niggerusmaximus [N. Maximus]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 06:30

These niggas clearly never took grade school physics. If it only takes a nanosecond it would be a lot messier than internal organs coming loose. Those internal organs would be a lot less internal after that.

From: aryan [WHITE POWER]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 06:56

you halfwitted granola crunching bugwitted dell cave dwellers sit in these blogs and type miles of useless mumbo jumbo about bullshit , and i just realized that this is exactly where you belong.

From: thumsum [Giv' em some thumb]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 08:32

Ahhhhhhhhhh...
Somewhere i belong...

From: tammy [Live Life Live]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 08:44

Everyone has to belong somewhere, and here's as good as any!
The best part about this was that coroner Ken Holmes being born without a 'nasty' gene and I was wondering, is it true? Do people who scrape those killed off roads or those who go around picking up the peices after a bloody homocide have a different genetic makeup than the rest of us? Still, 'Nasty' gene! Brilliant word!I am going to try and use this in conversation at least once across the rest of the weekend

From: carltons [chris]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 09:39

yes they have a different genetic makeup than most people. they love to see that crap first hand, or even hands on. you stupid, whore cunt!

From: beebop [Jul Fine]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 10:05

I'm kind of amazed there isn't an article about the high number of train suicides in the Bay Area. Bridges are not a pretty way to go, but throwing yourself at a train...

I'm a moderator for the forum at [bluelips.com] (a cool death webstore) and the original owner witnessed a Cal Train suicide a number of years ago. She still has nightmares about it. I think that's part of the reason her fascination with death came to the surface, but she's always been an off beat, funny person anyway.

She left the Bay area sometime after that suicide because the suicides just keep happening. It was depressing. And the earthquakes there apparently shook her up.

If you try calling the 800 Suicide number you are frequently left on hold, and that's the number they post at most of the Cal Train stations to prevent suicides.

You are all welcome to stop by the forum, we love to talk about all kinds of stuff. But also I know that these kinds of topics are very much on topic there.

From: evildave [Evil Dave]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 10:06

Ask yourself what it would cost to 'suicide proof' the bridge (probably $10,000,000 or more), and then ask what it would cost to have a few cops walk a beat on the bridge day and night. Even if you made suicide 'impossible' on the Golden Gate, people would only go down the road to the bay bridge (where there is no sidewalk) in a car, and then block traffic by abandoning their car there to jump.

Any static physical barrier will be useless and ugly. Police patrolling the scene on foot watching for suicidal jumpers would be far more effective and change nothing in the bridge's appearance, while making it a pleasant and safe place for more people to walk.

As for 'instant' and 'painless', having experienced many traumatic injuries in my life, I can say with absolute certainty that major trauma hurts AFTER the event, not during. You feel jarring and dislocations, but little or no pain. To experience little or no pain, you need only guarantee you're unconscious, or at least well into shock within about 15 seconds of the traumatic event. Screams initially come from blind animal terror of the event, not from experienced pain.

By all reports (besides from people trying to scare you out of suicide with images of carnivorous fish and hellfire) drowning is a downright nice experience... after you get past the initial struggling and retching, anyway. Time the tide right, and nobody ever finds a body, so the ocean takes care of your disposal naturally.

As for what the fish do to you, even if you're recovered intact, go read up on what happens to a corpse rotting in a coffin. If that's not horrible enough, think about what cremation does. They have to cut you open so you don't explode while they bake you down to ash, then they grind up what's left of you.

Keep in mind that this all happens AFTER you're dead. The fishy pecked eyeballs aren't capable of seeing, the dead individual isn't capable of experiencing any of it, etc. You are 100% biodegradable, so live with it. Or not.

People commit suicide for a lot of reasons. A totally painless exit is optional, and 'dooming yourself' (i.e. setting into a motion a chain of events that will be lethal, rather than just putting on a noose or pulling a trigger for an 'instant' suicide) is a very atractive option, especially for those who would prefer to make their suicide seem accidental and/or disappear mysteriously and never leave a body behind to be found and mourned over. Then there's getting a life insurance payment for the family. Taking pains to avoid pain is a dead give-away for suicide rather than 'accident'. You can 'take' all kinds of pain once you realize you won't have to live with it.

Then there are all kinds of people who have a 'terminal condition' who don't want to experience every final ghastly stage of it, as medical science will arrange for them if they persevere. If I found myself to have cancer metastasized into my brain, or a degenerative condition like Lou Gherig's disease, or any of a number of conditions that would cripple me in terrible ways, I'd arrange my affairs and then take a nice, long cruise vacation in a cabin with a private balcony, and jump overboard on the way home. I'd probably cruise Carnival, so I'd be extra depressed halfway through the trip and ready to do it.

As for the gunshot+hanging suggestion, suicide by firearm is really messy (and often ends in 'survival' - once everyone around hears a 'BANG!', they come to investigate and can render first aid and activate emergency services in time to 'rescue' you), and you have to consider what sort of gorey mess you leave behind (fish and wildlife appreciate a good meal, family and landladies don't appreciate a room full of blood spatter and brain bits). Besides, once you blow your head apart with that shotgun, there's nothing for the noose to grab onto. If you're going to shoot, aim for your heart. You can see where you're pointing, you can keep firing (one bullet in your head, and you could be semiconscious/paralyzed, but very much alive). You'll end up just as dead with a hole in your heart as a hole in your brain, and arguably faster, as most people die of soffocation/bleeding from a head wound.

From: thumsum [Giv' em some thumb]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 10:53

Yeah, my dad helped clean up a shotgun suicide in an old church his friend was renting as a house. You can't even think of how much goths were offering to live there after word got around. Must be some rich goths about.

Oh, also i heared somewhere that the oxygen depravation euphoria thing is a myth and its just the same as being choked to death.

From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 11:45

I guess that people who have never experienced death, really don't understand. What I mean by that is seeing death up close & personal, watching someone you know, maybe even love, have the life sucked out of them. It certainly gives a person a different perspective, on how precious life is. Oh I can see if a person has an incurable cancer, or something like that, but these people who give it up, just because they are having a bad day, well, what can you say?

From: evildave [Evil Dave]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 12:39

Nope:

Hypoxia is a grand feeling. In aircrew and dive training, the saying is that if you were having a shitty day, and now everything is great, it's time to go on 100% oxygen. In the altitude chamber, it was awesome, and I could've spent the whole day like that, though I would've blacked out sooner or later.

Now, most kinds of suffocation is carbon dioxide poisoning. A gradually increasing dose of CO2 is stressful and gives you a 'can't breath' feeling. Of course, a massive dose of CO2 will render you rapidly unconscious and then dead, and people die every year delivering CO2 to fast food restaraunts for their soda machines, or handling dry ice in confined spaces. Little or no warning.

Like a lot of things, it's all in the dose.

As for 'being choked', well that depends, too. If you squeeze so the blood supply is cut off, the victim is totally out of it in seconds, though their body will keep thrashing in an uncoordinated way for quite a while. If you squeeze so only the air supply is cut off, then yeah, that person could be awake and fighting for well over a minute.

From: glassblower [!?!]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 12:48

Where do I sign up for the Zombie Assassin......

From: melvin69 [John Bong]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 13:26

A body floats because decay causes gases to form within its cavity. If that cavity is breached for any reason, the gas escapes and the body sinks.

This is a nice bit of info. So remember, if you're going to dump the body in water, make sure to put alot of vents in it first. Also it will help the little fishys to get into the tender insides.

The sea reclaims bodies quickly. Fish eat them. Not just sharks, but little fish. They eat the eyes and other tender parts. As the body decays and opens up, all manner of sea creatures move in to feed.

Really nice info.

From: melvin69 [John Bong]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 13:38

He walked onto the pedestrian walkway. This was no cry for help. Sukhera didn't say anything to anyone, nor did he hesitate or stand in deep thought.

If they truly wanted to help these folks-how about starting BEFORE they get to the bridge, i.e. - their last stop. Why do they have to be hanging off a bridge before someone will help

I would say because some people don't ask for help. Everybody goes through depression sometime in life, it might be for a few days or months. Sometimes those people might look like they are coping, but they can surrender to the hopeles feeling quickly before anyone knows that they are giving up on life.

One of my friends, before killing himself, would not let anyone help him out. He said his problems might look small but they were big to him. One night after partying, he went into a room by himself and blew his brains out. Stunned everyone there since a few minutes before he was laughing and living it up.

As for Sukhera, that's just a fucked up name. Imagine if you put the last name first, Sukhera Osmon (Suck her as a man). Kinda lame but still screwed.

From: melvin69 [John Bong]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 14:09

I've read how mice are suppose to be humanely killed for whatever purpose. If you suddenly increase CO2, the mice will panic and take longer to die. I suppose that would be from adrenaline and other things released in their panicked state. It is suggested to steadily increase the CO2 until you reach a lethal dose. This way the mouse does not panic. Too slow of increase would result in a suffocating feeling. The right amount would make the mouse tired and pass out before any negative effects are realized.

I would assume this would be roughly the same for humans as well.

From: retardedmonkey [ISeeYouWhenYouSleep]
Date: 5-Nov-2005 14:25

Hey Evil Dave..

Having had the displeasure of both near drowning and near hypoxia... neither is gentle or nice.

The human body wants neither in a very real way. Swift water rescue can lead to a lot of ingestion and asperiation of water. Ever felt liquiid water in your lungs, very cold liquid water? Fire comes to mind. On another occasion I had the joy of falling through a roof and most of the way through the floor below. It is always reassuring to know that if you put it on right your SCBA will stay in place. The down side comes when you are having trouble physicaly breathing becasue the hole isen't large enough to accept you and the SCBA. 7 minutes of air is great if it takes less than 7 minutes to pull you out. Real shitty when it takes 13. Yeah I was seeing shit and I wasen't with it but it deffinatly did not NOT HURT. And my god... what raw oxygen feels like after that is amazing, almost sexual.