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Books Are Gay
MSNBC | Submitted by: Space Jew
"Early one morning a few weeks ago, Kara Borden, a 14-year-old from Lititz, Pa., logged onto MySpace. The young, bubbly, blond-haired, brown-eyed homeschooled high school freshman had a profile on the popular networking site. Her page was brightly colored with pink-lined black boxes listing her friends and hobbies, a rainbow striped white background and a picture of her in a pink top, smiling with lips closed to hide her braces. She listed her interests as soccer, talking on the phone, the beach and partying. 'Books are gay,' she wrote."
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From: spacedcadet5555 [dick]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 02:05
stupid kids. they don't deserve to live. hang them from the nearest tree.
From: janedoe [jane]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 02:20
Books ARE gay. You have no idea how many times a book has sodomized me. Fucking Do-me decimal system.
From: splittheatom
[Assless]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 02:32
"Interests: JESUS! church...". "David's MySpace profile, last visited by him on Nov. 12, offered little to suggest a day later he'd murder two people. Like many other users, he listed his religion, Christian...". Yet more nails in the coffin of the popular idea of Christian belief as a vaccination against being a total asshole. "Books are gay...". The Bible is a book; the Bible is gay. "A debate on the godliness of Christians follows. The comments grow progressively angrier and more vulgar than can be printed here". I sure wish I could have seen that "holy war": probable laugh-a-minute
From: brightwood [Bright]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 02:42
Kara Borden :: Lizzie Borden; anybody else see a pattern here? One uses an ax, the other her boyfriend and a gun; the results, however, are the same. Folks, if you know anybody named Borden with a teenage daughter.....
From: janedoe [jane]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 02:53
Ah, but splittheatom you've forgotten that the Bible isn't just some homosexual book--it's the divine, direct and irrefutable word of God. I think maybe we should give the kids some credit though. These parents raised a daughter that was brainwashed with Christian nonsense and who lacked the basic reasoning skills to understand that if books are gay and the bible is a book then ergo the bible is gay. The parents had to fit into that equation somehow. The only tragic part about this whole situation is that these two idiots didn't then commit mutual-suicide and go for the Darwinian hat trick.
From: 2muchfun [Wulfgar the having too much fun]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 02:59
Homeskoold Xian.
From: jesuschrist [Your Faith has healed you]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 03:00
I did told people to hate their parents, but I didn't meant other people's parents! Oh what the hell, your parents, his parents, what's the different? And books are gay, all stacked up tightly on one another placed in a cramped closet. That's pretty gay. But no matter, he can just ask me to forgive his sins and I'll invite him to stay in my house forever. How could I possibly refuse one of my precious little retarded lamb? Afterall, I did died for that motherfucker. Glory!
From: poserpunk [Kimber Gee]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 03:46
Ha ha. I love it when kids have myspaces or livejournals and they kill someone. This is always so entertaining to read.
From: hurricanefloyd [I was larger than the Florida Panhandle, you know.]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 03:53
Books are gay, especially those murder/suspense pieces of gay crap.
From: hai
[koo]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 04:09
Dictionaries, thesauruses, textbooks, and such: all are gay. Fag. By the way, do any other real famous types have MySpace (etc.) accounts? "I'm David Souter, and I enjoy long walks and taking care of mother. Oh, and I like books."
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 04:22
How can someone list his first and favourite interest as "JESUS", and yet murder two people...? Oh, yeah... it all fits... inability to think.
From: poontang [footlong]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 04:41
Great parenting represented here...now two of them are dead and the other two are going to live forever scratching their asses wondering WTF went wrong with lil' Ludwig. But, it really does not matter...these two kids represent all too well the state of our society...they have everything at their fingertips and beckoning call yet feel like the whole world owes them everything...well now they're going to be feeling true love in jail. Drop em' both in hot grease!
From: tucanscrew [three's more fun]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 04:56
I'm telling you it's the home schooling. The very people who freak over the state of our education system and decide to home school their children are exactly the people who shouldn't. Home schooling fails to teach some very important life lessons like "the world doesn't revolve around you" and "the poons not worth killing over". Maybe now they will get a more rounded education, at least learning the essential skill of tossing a salad.
From: canadagirl78
[God, make me chaste. But not yet.]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 05:28
I agree with tucan. It's not the Chhirstianity, it's not the parents, it's the home schooling. It fucks with the way kids are SOCIALIZED, which people forget is just as big a lesson in school as algebra. Never home school your kids. Send 'em to school, and if they're still dumb, give 'em extra homework on weekends or lower your expectations.
From: becouchgrass [danesbong]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 05:34
"David's MySpace profile, last visited by him on Nov. 12, offered little to suggest a day later he'd murder two people. Like many other users, he listed his religion, Christian, and his job, product specialist at a Circuit City store. He doesn't smoke, he wrote, but does drink. Messages left by his friends include one asking if he's "going to help the smiths move on the 12th." wtf were they expecting to find? "remember to feed kitty, pay electricity bill, shoot girfriends parents"?
From: donkeyhotey [sir vantes]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 05:47
"Books are gay," she wrote. "But murder is like, you know, sooooo heterosexual!"
From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 06:04
They come across as bored, stupid tards. Note to home-schooled Christian teenagers: Killing your parents is a great way to liven up a boring Monday!
From: studgerbil [Stud]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 06:07
That is one dumbass ugly looking bitch. Damn!
From: gargoyle1
Date: 2-Dec-2005 06:09
Blog sounds like the sound coming from the bathroom when yer puking up your toes. Blogs are gay. These two witless kids deserve to spend the rest of their lives in prison, learning how to deal with stretchmarks on thier assholes from the reaming they'll get. And that kids parents, what a couple of dipshits, prolly still wondering why good little Ludwig ( hell, if I'd been named that, I'd kill MY parents, not someone elses ) went bad.
From: antinomianist
[AERDNA]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 06:26
From: janedoe [jane] Date: 2-Dec-2005 02:20 Books ARE gay. You have no idea how many times a book has sodomized me. --- I know damn paper cuts! And "home schooled" was all I needed to hear - they all wind up completely fucked up. We had this story before but I will point out to anyone wondering why she loved Jesus and killed her parents: God is a notorious mass murderer - if you're religious then God kills EVERYONE.
From: smoothvelvet2003 [Velvet]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 07:14
"It fucks with the way kids are SOCIALIZED" I fucking agree, and I can tell you from personal experience this is so true. My mother homeschools my two younger sisters, and they attend a "homeschooling network school" just like the two youngsters in the story did. One of my sisters has absolutely no social skills and can be brainwashed into thinking anything. She was brainwashed into joining PETA. When I showed her KILL BILL, before the movie was through she went to the bathroom and came out with her hair cut like the girl from the movie and a fake sword in her hand. I couldn't believe that shit. My mother thinks that everyone who is homeschooled is a god damn genius. She never suspected that the kids my sisters are attending that networking school with are even worse than public school kids. (Most of the time, that's WHY they are homeschooled. She is blonde, though, so what do you expect?) Recently, my mom let my sister spend the night at her homeschooled friend's house. In ONE NIGHT, she came back saying "I'm a lesbian now." WTF?? All I have ever heard her talk about are boys and now she is a damn disgusting lesbian because some drug-addicted, fucked up, butt ugly homeschooler brainwashed her weak homeschooled mind and probably licked her poon or something. When I was in high school, you'd get your ass kicked for even thinking gay thoughts. Homeschooling is going to make my sister have a very very hard life.
From: canadagirl78
[God, make me chaste. But not yet.]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 07:41
Kids who are schooled at home have no clue what living in real life is like. They don't have a clue how to communicate with other people, they have no clue how to stand up to persuasion and peer pressure, they have no idea what is really waiting for them once mommy cuts the umbilical cord. I feel for those poor buggers, I really do. I feel even worse for the unsuspecting bastards they get hoisted on when they leave mommy's warm and cozy home and expect the world to revolve around them like it always has.
From: ford250sd [From the Ashes we Rose...]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 07:41
I love how they claim the discussion was after the first page "grow progressively angrier and more vulgar than can be printed here." I can picture some prude reporter seeing someone write "Fuck" and retreating to her corner to cry. Just proves that MSNBC is a bunch of whining pussies! Just imagine, now every wacked out killer can have his very own internet space! After the dust settles, we can all go there to his/her/it's little profile and leave feedback to their killing/robbing/pillaging spree. It will be like an eBay feedback for killers! Better more inventive killings equals higher feedback score! Oh God: I just read the ending where the prude reporter says that these sites can be a "cry for help." This is just what we need: People refering others to the mental health "professionals" just because of something they wrote on the internet. If that is the case, then everyone who visits Rotten is going straight to the room with padded walls!!
From: loveto [Jill Awf]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 07:50
Damn idiot children trying to use netspeak and confusing gay with ghey. Way to go. Oh wait, they WERE neo-christians.
From: reader57 [Rotten Reader]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 08:14
I hope that when I finally snap and go on a killing rampage they don't go through all the crap I've posted in rotten!
From: 11b3vw8 [smell my finger]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 08:20
"I'm telling you it's the home schooling." "it's the home schooling. It fucks with the way kids are SOCIALIZED,.." "And "home schooled" was all I needed to hear - they all wind up completely fucked up." "I fucking agree, and I can tell you from personal experience this is so true." Another fine day at the fucking retard factory. Crank out some more broad brush strokes of tiny minded generalizations. I believe some of you probably never went to school at all. YOUR fucked up 'personal experience' doesn't mean jack-diddle shit compared to the whole. I know of trailer trash shitbags that 'home school' their kids. Dumb as rocks and probably 'studying' crank making techniques and 'home burglary 101' as much as anything. And I know some on the extreme right that don't do much better. BUT.. there are a hellva lot of good homeschooled kids. A number of studies shows that home schooled kids typically score higher on SAT/ACT, are NOT socially inept, do well in college and actually graduate and lead productive lives. Google it yourself. A lot of my cousins and other relatives were homeschooled. Granted, their parents were degree'd, some of them certified teachers. And yes, socializing outside the 'home network' was part of it. All graduated college at or near the top of their class, most all were science majors in the areas of chemistry and physics, some have Masters, and they're doing quite well. In contrast, over half that attended our fine public education system did not make it to college, have relationship issues, drug problems, minimal 'careers', or.. those that did okay..they're all cops. (Go figure that one)..In other words, just because YOU think HS is bad or know someONE that had a bad experience does not reflect reality. And for the record, my daughter attends public schools, ONLY because my wife's not terribly bright and I have to work to pay the bills. Thankfully, she's really smart and attends a Gifted/Talented program at the university level...I'll take the credit for that..I call it 'AfterSchool HomeSchooling'...
From: rslip [joe]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 09:00
The picture of the boy reminds me of some FUCKTARD that wanted to date my daughter. I slammed the door in his face and told him to get his SORRY ASS off my property! I've never seen anyone run so fast. I had a sawed off Remington 870 in my hands at the time 
From: nora666 [Sodomy with an artificial leg]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 09:17
Homeschool and christianity... might as well get fisted in the ass and call it a day!
From: 11b3vw8 [smell my finger]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 09:26
"I had a sawed off Remington 870 in my hands at the time.." Nice choice for close-in work...
From: 11b3vw8 [smell my finger]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 09:35
"I did not aim. I have a lot of shooting experience, and I usually hit what I shoot at,” Ludwig, an avid hunter, told investigators." What a waste of talent...
From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 10:14
I have never understood the attraction of home schooling. Is it to protect little Johnny from finding out that there is no Santa Claus? The interaction among children especially on the playground is essential in learning social skills, as has already been mentioned, and that's a very important aspect of a school setting, be it public, or private. Have you ever seen home schooled kids being interviewed? They come off as being very introverted, & shy. While it's true that some people are born that way(like me),home schooling just magnifies the problem.
From: popo
[insert witticism]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 10:26
As an introspective and shy lil fucker myself, I can proudly say that coming to terms with the beatings and humiliation I endured as an utterly dorky polyseter-clad tyke with headgear and braces in grade school were instrumental in making me the outgoing and humble and considerate kinda person I am now.
From: countjulian
[Jack Death]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 10:38
The rising tide of religious anti-intellectualism takes its next victims... Mark my words, "Books are Gay" will soon be the the rallying cry of a whole new generation of Christian Fucktards (the Bible is "God's Word" and thusly not any ordinary "Book) and, as in the middle ages, reading will disappear from all but the Ecclesiastical circles of societies. Praise the Lord!
From: lollercaust [Lollercaust]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 11:06
On the subject of MySpace and death, here is a 17 year old Emo who killed himself for real a couple of days ago [myspace.com] and here's his suicide note put on ytmnd.com [ytmnd.com] enjoy
From: antinomianist
[AERDNA]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 11:12
11b3vw8 [smell my finger] Interested by what you said about studies showing higher academic accomplishments I went to a psychological journal database through a university and looked up some articles just for you: "There was no difference in academic achievement between public school students who perceived a high level of parent involvement and homeschool students. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2005 APA, all rights reserved)" *This study was based on parental invovlement and as the thesis says- as long as parents are involved, kids are equal achievers. So, no, homeschooled children do NOT do better academically than children in normal schools. "However, the families continue to represent stable marriages, and home situations, that are usually affiliated with a relatively conservative or evangelical Protestant denominational group. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2005 APA, all rights reserved)" *That means there will be a bare minimum of those that are rednecks as you claim. And I found nothing about the popularity of teachers doing so - it was more a religious choice or for percievedly gifted children. This article was on homeschooling as a whole. "Research shows that there is absolutely no disruption of social development and evolution for children that are homeschooled up through the eighth grade.” “But now that presupposes that the parents are willing to take them to participate in the extra-curricular activities of their peer group, like the Boys and Girls Clubs, the YMCAs, the church groups and socials, and sports and choirs" “Once kids get to high school, social development is important. They become more independent. They want to interact on their own. They’re post-pubescent. And so they don’t do well in a homeschool environment in high school." *In conclusion: rich, religious families are the typical homeschoolers. There is no difference in acadmic outcomes (with the stipulation of parental invovlement) and they do well socially UNTIL highschool - at which point they can become fucked up, like this chic.
From: akchick
[one asshole in my pants is enough]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 11:29
From: ford250sd [From the Ashes we Rose...] Date: 2-Dec-2005 07:41 Oh God: I just read the ending where the prude reporter says that these sites can be a "cry for help." This is just what we need: People refering others to the mental health "professionals" just because of something they wrote on the internet. If that is the case, then everyone who visits Rotten is going straight to the room with padded walls!! ______________________________________________________________________________ Save me some jello.
From: meanmrmustard203 [Pipe Smoke]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 11:31
you guys really think she's ugly? Hell I'd bang that little cookie if I could get away with it...the whole age/legal thing could be a bit of a problem. homeschooling makes some really screwed up kids, no doubt about it. As do private christian schools (I went to one). There are exceptions, not all homeschoolers are total fucktards, not all private school kids are either (i'd like to think i'm an exception!)
From: jhigh [apathy incarnate]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 11:51
Here's a MySpace from a chick that was killed a few months ago. They think the guy that did it met her via her webpage: [myspace.com]
From: wino [wino]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 12:08
"A debate on the godliness of Christians follows." priceless
From: tacstar24 [steve]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 12:09
That kid is a closet homo if i ever saw one. why else would he need a 14 year old girl to validate his feelings and his stupid haircut. he better pray he is a seperatee in prison or he is gonna be someones bitch before he even unpacks his prison issue toothbrush. where did this jackass get a gun in the first place? i wish the cops would have just shot him and the dumb ass bitch he was with. save us some fucking tax money for once.
From: eauclaireliberal [eauclaireliberal]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 12:22
My guess is that this was in the cache: [lampkeeper.com] My guess? She's already got her future figured out: Dumb Housewife, retarded homeschooled kids, husband making under $20,000 a year. After she gets out of the slam, that is.
From: 11b3vw8 [smell my finger]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 12:24
AERDNA, a fair number of your points are vaild, I won't deny that. But I would also say that there are more studies than the references you cite. Its akin to watching Fox or CNN and thinking thats the truth. Seriously, I would like to provide references that counter some of your findings, unfortunately time is not on my side at the moment, and I'm certain your capable of searching them out if you desire. In short; "..it was more a religious choice or for percievedly gifted children." If its a religious choice, I personally have no problem with that. One of the advantages of living in a free country. As for perception, that rubber meets the road through standardized testing such as SAT/ACT. "..presupposes that the parents are willing to take them to participate in the extra-curricular activities of their peer group, like the Boys and Girls Clubs, the YMCAs, the church groups and socials, and sports and choirs" Exactly. The kid has to learn to have a life, and that there's life outside the home. The words 'willing parents' are the key there... "Once kids get to high school, social development is important. They become more independent. They want to interact on their own. They’re post-pubescent. And so they don’t do well in a homeschool environment in high school." And thats exactly what you let them do, give them opportunities to interact. And keep in mind, thats just the mid-step, not the end game. You can't homeschool them a Bachelors or Masters. You have to prepare them to live life and strive for success on their own. "In conclusion: rich, religious families are the typical homeschoolers.. I'm not sure what you mean by rich. Most all my family/relatives are neither rich nor very religious. Typical middle to upper middle incomes. Thanks for the reply!
From: wino [wino]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 12:31
"smiling with lips closed to hide her braces" I would have said "pursing her lips saucily"
From: chowdapipe [Dr. Nuge]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 13:01
I'd homeschool her little pussy. Books are gay, say it to the microphone my little muffin.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 13:06
Good thing Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold went to public schools or they might not have had such great social skills. Public Schools do expose kids to a social atmosphere they won't find at home, but they suck at teaching kids how to behave around others. Public schools should only supplement what parents teach their kids, never replace it. Home schools and private schools may turn out some real jackasses, but don't try to pretend public schools don't do the same thing. Why stop at scholastic and religious stereotypes to blame their behavior on? Occupation: Artist
Industry: Art Few teenagers who think they can go though life supported by art, ever become well adjusted, productive members of society.
From: 11b3vw8 [smell my finger]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 13:09
Some additional information for AERDNA; From College Discussions; Many colleges now routinely accept home-schooled students, who typically present “portfolios” of their work instead of transcripts. Each year Harvard University takes up to 10 applicants who have had some home schooling. “In general, those kids do just fine,” says David Illingsworth, senior admissions officer. He adds that the number of applications and inquiries from home schoolers is “definitely increasing.” A Harvard University (MA) admissions officer said most of their home educated students “have done very well. They usually are very motivated in what they do.” Results of the SAT and SAT II, an essay, an interview, and a letter of recommendation are the main requirements for home educated applicants. “[Transcripts are] irrelevant because a transcript is basically a comparison to other students in the school.” In addition to Harvard, prominent schools like Yale (CT), Princeton (NJ), Texas A&M, Brown University (RI), the Carnegie Mellon Institute (PA), the Universities of Arizona, Maryland, Virginia, Hawaii and many others all have flexible transcript criteria, accept parental evaluations, and do not require any accreditation or a General Equivalency Diploma (GED). At Kansas State University and others like Lipscomb University and Middlebury College (VT), transcripts are optional. A February 11, 2000 Wall Street Journal article stated that a recent survey by the National Center for Home Education, a Virginia-based advocacy group, found that 68% of colleges now accept parent-prepared transcripts or portfolios in place of an accredited diploma. That includes Stanford University, which last fall accepted 27% of home-schooled applicants – nearly double its overall acceptance rate. “Home-schoolers bring certain skills – motivation, curiosity, the capacity to be responsible for their education – that high schools don’t induce very well, says Jon Reider, Stanford’s senior associate director of admissions. In addition to Stanford University, Yale and Harvard Universities were also among the top tier of colleges with the most home school-friendly admission policies. These colleges generally require SAT I (one) and/or ACT scores, a high school transcript, letters of recommendation, and writing samples. As of the National Center’s 1999 survey, Harvard had anywhere from 20-40 home school graduates attending. David Illingsworth with the University said that they are “doing very well indeed.”
From: 11b3vw8 [smell my finger]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 13:12
Some additional information for AERDNA; From Issues and Views some analysts claim that in the year 1999-2000, 850,000 children were taught at home, whereas others claim the figure is closer to 1.7 million. Whichever figures are correct, one thing is certain: homeschooling has become an increasingly popular alternative to public schools judged by many parents to be inadequate and unsafe. As its popularity has grown, what was once the oddball practice of isolated families has become a widely accepted educational approach, with its own lobbyists, organized support networks, and how-to-get-into-college guidebooks. These days, two thirds of homeschoolers go on to college, according to a National Home Education Research Institute (NHERI) study published five years ago. . . . Education scholar Patricia M. Lines, a former senior research analyst at the U.S. Department of Education, has studied the homeschooling movement extensively, from its beginnings in the late 1950s and early 1960s as a liberal alternative to what some people viewed as rigidly conservative public schools. In the 1980s, Lines observes, “school culture drifted to the left,” and conservative families turned to homeschooling to keep religion in their children’s education. Today, “both groups are running strong,” she says, and they have been joined by an increasing number of parents “who simply seek the highest quality education for their child, which they believe public and even private schools can no longer provide.” . . . Although the number of homeschoolers applying to college is still small, it represents only the first wave. The next homeschooled generation--the real boom--is just hitting puberty. A school like Brown, with its reputation for valuing independence and self-direction, may be particularly attractive to homeschoolers accustomed to charting their own course. Brown’s curriculum, too, may be a good academic match for homeschoolers, many of whom have shaped their own curriculum with their parents or have simply followed their own interests with their parents as guides. From NHERI Dr. Brian Ray, in the most in-depth nationwide study on home education across the United States, collected data on 5,402 students from 1,657 families. Homeschool students’ academic achievement, on average, was significantly above that of public-school students. In addition, the home educated did well even if their parents were not certified teachers and if the state did not highly regulate homeschooling. · Home educators are able to be flexible and tailor or customize the curriculum to the needs of each child. · In study after study, the home educated score better, on average, than those in conventional state-run schools. · For learning disabled students, there are higher rates of academic engaged time in homeschooling and greater academic gains made by the home educated. Social Activity and Emotional Development · Studying actual observed behavior, Dr. Shyers (1992) found the home educated have significantly lower problem behavior scores than do their conventional school agemates. · Multiple studies show that the home educated have positive self-concepts. · Homeschool students are regularly engaged in field trips, scouting, 4-H, and community volunteer work, and their parents (i.e., their main role models) are significantly more civically involved than are public school parents. The Home Educated as Adults · Regarding the critical thinking skills of college students, researchers found no significant differences among high school graduates of private schools, public schools, and homeschooling. · A study of adults who were home educated found that none were unemployed and none were on welfare, 94% said home education prepared them to be independent persons, 79% said it helped them interact with individuals from different levels of society, and they strongly supported the home education method. Academic Achievement Dr. Howard Richman and his colleagues have found that the home educated in Pennsylvania score, on average, at the 86th percentile in reading and the 73rd percentile in math. (The national average is the 50th percentile.) Repeatedly, across the nation, the home educated score as well as or better than those in conventional schools 15 to 30 percentile points higher. Social and Emotional Adjustment Dr. Larry Shyers observed children in free play and group interaction activities. Conventionally schooled children had significantly more problem behaviors than did the home educated. This is probably because the primary models of behavior for the home educated are their parents. Home educated children are more mature and better socialized than are those sent to school, according to Thomas Smedley's personal interaction and communications approach to understanding socialization. Dr. Gary Knowles, of the University of Michigan, explored adults who were home educated. None were unemployed and none were on welfare, 94% said home education prepared them to be independent persons, 79% said it helped them interact with individuals from different levels of society, and they strongly supported the home education method.
From: 11b3vw8 [smell my finger]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 13:17
Some additional information for AERDNA; Last page, sorry for being 'long-winded'! This is rather dated, but I doubt the results have varied greatly... From HSLDA State Department of Education Statistics on Homeschoolers Several state departments of education or local school districts have also gathered statistics on the academic progress of homeschooled children. Tennessee In the spring of 1987, the Tennessee Department of Education found that homeschooled children in 2nd grade, on the average, scored in the 93rd percentile while their public school counterparts, on the average, scored in the 62nd percentile on the Stanford Achievement Test. Homeschool children in third grade scored, on the average, in the 90th percentile in reading on another standardized test, and the public school students scored in the 78 percentile. In math, the third grade homeschooled children scored, on the average, in the 87th percentile, while their public school counterparts scored in the 80th percentile. In eighth grade, the homeschooled students scored, on the average, in the 87th percentile in reading and in 71st percentile in math while their public school counterparts scored in the 75th percentile in reading and the 69th percentile in math. Alaska and Oregon Similarly, in 1986, the State Department of Education in Alaska which had surveyed homeschooled children's test results every other year since 1981, found homeschooled children to be scoring approximately 16 percentage points higher, on the average, than the children of the same grades in conventional schools. In Oregon, the State Department of Education compiled test score statistics for 1,658 homeschooled children in 1988 and found that 51 percent of the children scored above the 71st percentile and 73 percent scored above the 51st percentile. North Carolina In North Carolina, the Division of Non-Public Education compiled test results of 2,144 homeschool students in grades K-12. Of the 1,061 homeschool students taking the California Achievement Test, they scored, on the average, at the 73rd percentile on the total battery of tests: 80th percentile in reading, 72nd percentile in language, and the 71st percentile in math. The 755 homeschool students who took the Iowa Test of Basic Skills scored at the 80th percentile in the total battery of tests: 81st percentile in reading, 77th percentile in language, and 77th percentile in math. The remaining students who took the Stanford scored, on the average, in the 73rd percentile in the whole battery. Arkansas In Arkansas, for the 1987-88 school term, homeschool children, on the average, scored in 75% on the Metropolitan Achievement Test 6. They out-scored public school children in every subject (Reading, Math, Language, Science, and Social Studies) and at every grade level. For example, at the 10th grade level public school children scored an average of 53rd percentile in social studies, while homeschool children scored at the 73rd percentile. In science, an area in which homeschoolers are often criticized for lack of facilities, the homeschoolers scored, on the average, 85th percentile in fourth grade, 73rd percentile in seventh grade, and 65th percentile in tenth grade. The public school students, on the other hand, scored much lower in science: 66th percentile in fourth grade, 62nd percentile in seventh, and 53rd percentile in tenth. Arizona According to the Arizona State Department of Education, 1,123 homeschooled children in grades 1-9, on the average, scored above grade level in reading, language arts, and math on standardized tests for the 1988-89 school year. Four grades tested were a full grade level ahead. Nebraska In Nebraska, out of 259 homeschooled children who returned to public or non-public schools, 134 of them were automatically placed in their grade level according to their age without testing. Of the remaining who were given entrance tests, 33 were above grade level, 43 were at grade level, and 29 were below grade level. Approximately 88 percent of the returning students were at or above grade level after being homeschooled for a period of time. This survey was the result of the responses of 429 accredited schools.
From: antinomianist
[AERDNA]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 13:24
From: 11b3vw8 [smell my finger] Date: 2-Dec-2005 13:12 Alright I have writing to do so I'm not going to provide any more information. Of course anyone can find statistics to prove their point: '95% of statistics are incorrect'. But you didn't actually contradict what I said. I agree 'rich' was the wrong word - but the preople are definitely NOT poor. The point about homeschooling was not that it was not a viable educational alternative but that it does stunt their social developement if it continues post-pubescently. You provided no statistics to support your suggestiont they do significantly better only that they CAN go to university and are on par with other students - which was exactly what I said. Now go ahead and contradict me again, but I think you're just missing my point...And I wont be replying again because I have a shitload of writing to do. (I like your brain tho!)
From: bonevalleyalco [Harvey Henkelman]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 13:57
Why can't more christians follow their example? I say ship 'em off to Iraq, and let their muslim counterparts deal with them. It ain't books that are gay, it's religious belief. Small wonder the burning of books is the first agenda of repressive governments and faiths.
From: piscivore [Michael C. Scott]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 14:03
The boyfriend described himself as a "Christian". Someone should ask him how murder and statutory rape square with his religion.
From: guntotingliberal [GunTotingLiberal]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 14:33
Well, studies aside and I am surprised Auldie is weighing in on this with me but come on people how stupid are some of you? A child kills someone and it's NOT the parents don't shoulder most of the blame? Give me a break. You guys must be High School age yourselves to believe that shit you posted. The apple don't fall far from the tree, folks. As far as social skills go - just what social skills did you learn in High School? I can't recall any particularly notable skills I gained. Some essential thing I learned at school that helps me interact in the world. Have some kids yourself, first, and then make a judgment. My first daughter is in the public school system and virtually every essential social skill I have had to teach her. It is, in fact, a parents responsibility to do so. I (or my wife) taught her how to arrange social events, (movies, dates, sleepovers, parties) with her friends, how to answer the damn telephone, what to say and what to ask about her first baby sitting jobs, how to pay the pizza/chines/thai delivery man, why it's important to tip, how to get to know her grandparents by asking reflective, insightful questions. We taught her why its important to try to be patient in traffic or in line at the store and why not to treat some poor schlep at the grocery store earning a whopping 6 bucks an hour like they are less than human. You learn all that in High School? I sure as fuck didn't take that class. The problem sort-of is homeschooling, however. You are kind of right in your ignorance. Not everyone is well-suited to homeschool. The problem is, these parents in their own self righteousness don't know that they are poorly equipted for such a massive undertaking. Having homeschooled my first daughter each summer break she is taking one college class this January in lieu a of useless High School class. Next year, she'll take another. Sophomore summer she'll take two. And Junior and Senior year, (if she even stays in High School that long) she take two more each. Thus, the first year of college will be under her belt before she is out of high school. Such a waste home schooling is.
From: defecator [nah...]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 15:38
This isn't about whether or not they were homeschooled. Retards are going to be retards no matter how you try to educate them.
From: hawk3 [tritium]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 16:20
All of the tests mentioned by 'smell my finger' measure two things, knowledge and comprehension. They are the very basics of education. What's harder to learn, measure, and teach is the application of knowledge, the analysis of information, using synthesis to create and predict, and using what you have learned to evaluate. These are higher order learning skills. Schools should be teaching more of these skills, home schoolers, too.
From: cocksucker
[Hurr]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 16:48
Books are gay gay gay... fucking working on my cock and balls and yeah the rim around the head yeah, you like it, yeah, you like when I smack you in the face, right? Look at me. look at me. yeah, yeah, you like that, you little pussy, get it good and wet, you're gonna want it wet, I'm gonna fuck you till you bleed, fucking Qu'ran. PS- smell my finger, use an academic database, google is shit, faggot.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 17:18
Thanks GTL for showing me I'm not the only left person who realizes that education is the parents job more than anyone else, and that Public Schools are just a tool we are supplied to help us to better complete that task.
From: naeramarth
[boredom kills]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 17:48
A relative of mine and his wife decided to homeschool thier 8 kids because they were so fugly they got tormented at school when they were young. Surprisingly they have really gorgeous kids, but the poor things have no social skills at all along with lower than avarage test scores. It really just depends on the people doing the homeschooling.
From: melvin69 [John Bong]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 22:13
These parents raised a daughter that was brainwashed with Christian nonsense and who lacked the basic reasoning skills to understand that if books are gay and the bible is a book then ergo the bible is gay. I would think the situation says she wasn't brainwashed by Christian nonsense. As for lacking basic reasoning skills, I think most 14 yr old girls fall into that category. After reading the bottom half of the 2nd page and the whole last page, I'm wondering when some feel-good politician or parent group gets a hair up their ass and tries to setup a myspace.com (or other blog type site) watch group with tax money.
From: melvin69 [John Bong]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 22:38
I caught a story about a homeschooled young man from Oregon scored a perfect score on his SAT. As for public vs homeschooled, I don't see public schools being any better about teaching social interaction seeing the number of murders that happen each year, some of them being IN school. Just because the kid is going to school doesn't automatically mean they're going to know how to interact with others. Just ask anyone in these comments if they've been home or public schooled. See how many of the asshats actually were homeschooled or not. As for high school, I learned how to ditch class, make up believable stories as to why I was late to class/school, roll joints, smoke in the bathroom without getting caught, how to deal with getting caught, cram for tests then forget what I just read, um, probably a few other things as well. Oh yeah, skip school and party with friends. Only thing I miss about high school was being able to catch up on my sleep from parting all night.
From: herbmorrison [HerbMorrison]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 23:09
"Books are gay." And now your boyfriend is too. I'm sure he'll thoroughly enjoy the experience of being sodomized by a man twice his size.
From: twdldee [twdldee]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 14:36
Although a college or university may have lenient requirements regarding home-schooling, that just means that they reserve the right to admit some autistic sevant who is a mathematic genius. That doesn't mean that they're actually going consider a solicitation from some home-schooled retard. 99.999% of all people that go, or have ever gone to the "Big Three" were educated in a place where you have to leave your family and go somewhere where there are other people to interact with.
From: will [william]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 15:58
You see? There's always someone to gloat over the prospect of prison rape. No-one should even bother denying that the American forces are torturing prisoners, because Americans simply believe that, as long as the victim is "bad" enough, torture is fine.
From: aeon
[aeon]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 04:17
From: useless2society [Useless II Society]
Date: 2-Dec-2005 14:53
[image of that trog here]
i still can't believe he killed people for that pug-fugly fucking cunt. damn. i just don't get white guys sometimes.
From: qqqqwwwqqqq [qqqqwwwqqqq]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 14:58
splittheatom "Books are gay...".
The Bible is a book; the Bible is gay. John 13:25 - "He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?" John 21:20 - "Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper (...)" Mark 14:51-52 - "And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body; and the young men laid hold on him: And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked. " (Note: This "certain young man" was hanging out with Jesus when Jesus was arrested; the "them" that he fled naked from were the priests and soldiers come to arrest Jesus) Prepare to receive Christ's love - bend over.
Updated: 8-Dec-2005 08:19
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