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From: popo [insert witticism]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 08:34

We used to take the estes D-series rockets and stack a few of them up, taped to the end of a long stick like a bottle rocket in such a manner that the spent stages could be ejected. Then it was imperative to tape a metal cigar tube full of roman candle stars and firecrackers and black powder to the very last stage, so the ejection charge would detonate that. They'd go high, arc way out over the woods toward town kicking off spent engines every 12 seconds or so, and never be heard from again.

Ahhhh youth.

From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 09:02

My rocket was nearly hit by an airliner that day.

But you don't hear ME complain.

From: gargoyle1
Date: 3-Dec-2005 09:27

Geez, and I just made rocket cars that self destructed in traffic, to think, I coulda scared airline pilots instead.

From: patmccock [patmccock]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 09:35

FBI agents believe it was a flare or a bottle rocket, but say they may never know if that's what it actually was."

The end of that article should read "And even if we did know, we are not telling the American public because we don't have to, so fuck off you tax paying chumps."

From: robwrigley
Date: 3-Dec-2005 09:35

I used to jam as much air as I could into my little rockets, then let it fly. Every one of them got stuck on somebody's roof. I'm sure I never got it high enough to come close to a jet liner, though.

Rob

From: thumsum [Giv' em some thumb]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 09:38

Bomb squad were called out close to my house after a home made went off. Only kids. That never made the news.

From: lorenpechtel [Loren]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 09:54

A bit on the model rocket engines:

There's no such engine as a D-12. Nor does the engine that this is obviously referring to burn for anything like 12 seconds.

The standard hobbyist model rocket engines are labelled in the form of <Letter><Number>-<Number>, although for <Letter> there is also 1/2A for the tiniest of engines.

The letter is the general power rating of the engine--each letter up means a doubling of the total power. The first number is the thrust of the engine. The second number is the delay before the top blows off the engine (used to eject the parachute.)

Most of the Estes D engines are D12's, they come in the -0, -3, -5 and -7 delays--the -0 has no delay sequence in it, when it's done it burns through the top and spits fire upwards. You have it taped to another engine on top of it, this serves to ignite the next engine and to blow the first one quickly off so that it's fins will be out of the way of the blast from the next engine. Note that this will happen less than 2 seconds after ignition, not the 12 that was claimed.

As for 20,000'--with the high power engines (available with a license only) you can reach that sort of altitude. You're not getting up there on a D, though.

From: rslip [joe]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 10:16

The end of that article should read "And even if we did know, we are not telling the American public because we don't have to, so fuck off you tax paying chumps.

You got that right! It might have been a shoulder-fired missile (there are alot of them unaccounted for since the Afghans pushed the Soviets out of Afghanistan). Who knows? The govt. would rather keep us in the dark.

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!

From: piscivore [Michael C. Scott]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 10:16

I'm sure the FBI would like us to think that this incident could have been prevented if only bus passengers could be fingerprinted and forced to give blood samples.

From: aryan [WHITE POWER]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 10:19

LOREN, Like i said Estes does make a D12 , If i screwed up by adding the dash in D-12 , Big deal , And i never said the home made rockets that were reaching 20.000 + were powered by D12s . Lets please lighten up on the nitpicking . OK

From: aryan [WHITE POWER]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 10:22

Ill bet my bottom dollar it was the CRIPs trying to hit that JET with a stinger missle because they are pissed off that TOOKIE is going to hell soon , Not to worry , All CRIPs are crackheads and could not hit a barn door.

From: popo [insert witticism]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 10:24

Fuck, all I really remember is the smell; and they seemed to burn a bit longer than 2 seconds and they'd definitely take whatever was unfortunate enough to be taped to the top out of earshot. 20,000 feet? Newp. Maybe 2,000 horizontally for a good un. Then go find some more cigar tubes and tape and sticks.

From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 10:28

I would think that the pilot would know the difference between a flare, a "bottle rocket"(what a joke), & an actual rocket. Most all pilots are ex military, with first hand experience. In this case, I believe the pilot. I don't believe the article stated the altitude, but even if it were low, there just isn't any way a flare would just happen to fly by right in front of them. I have fired flares, they go up maybe a couple of hundred feet, & are impossible to aim. They just go where they go. I also have fired model rockets, as well as bottle rockets. I ain't buying that phony baloney for a NY Minute.

From: aryan [WHITE POWER]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 10:34

If you are a licenced Rocket buff , you can buy much more powerfull engines , But my best design was a Estes kit where i installed a 12 Ga , shotgun shell behind the nose cone with the primer facing forward and centered a nail on it with the head of the nail at the tip of the nose cone , worked well , kinda like a small morter round, lol

From: aryan [WHITE POWER]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 10:37

It detonated on Impact ,

From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 11:31

aryan, interesting application, with the shot gun shell, but do you think that you could hit a plane with it? If it did hit a plane, do you think it could bring it down?

From: aryan [WHITE POWER]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 11:57

Hell no. lol

From: reader57 [Rotten Reader]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 12:39

I'm not impressed with pilots that can't tell the difference from a rocket propelled grenade and a pop bottle rocket.
I am impressed with the rotten commentators! Up till now I viewed most of you (based upon your comments)as potheads with a computer. But, to my surprise, there is a high level of geekdom in the knowledge of model rocketry.

So did any of you ever get buzzed and then launch rockets?

From: antinomianist [AERDNA]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 12:53

From: aryan [WHITE POWER]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 10:19

Lets please lighten up on the nitpicking .
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Ahahahahahahahahhahahaha! Omg a crazy racist that's against nitpicking? You're like a living oxymoron.

From: guntotingliberal [GunTotingLiberal]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 12:57

Well, we will know if it actually happened if it happens again but with more disastrous results.

Seriously though, this reminds me of lame explanations by the government for any phenomenon they don't want us to know about.

From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 13:15

From: reader57 [Rotten Reader]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 12:39

I'm not impressed with pilots that can't tell the difference from a rocket propelled grenade and a pop bottle rocket.

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Actually the pilot stated that it was a rocket,like in "Surface to Air", it was the FBI who said that it might have been a flare, or a bottle rocket. I have to believe that the pilot knows the difference. It's like with UFO's. The government always says that they are weather balloons, mist, ordinary non UFO aircraft, or flares. See, there we go with the flares again, lol.

There are a whole lot of Stingers floating around, many in the hands of AQ, left over from the Afghan war with Russia. It is comforting that the CIA introduced them into Afghanistan, & into the hands of Osama. Just think if a plane was brought down with a Chinese missile. That would be the ultimate irony.

From: wulfgartheblack [Wulfgar the Black]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 13:56

Flight 800
More than 120 sane, sober, reliable eye-witnesses [including military, cops, pilots, etc.]reported a flame shooting toward the aircraft just BEFORE the explosion.

FBI concluded that they were ALL wrong - not one of them saw what they ALL reported.

Bottle rocket.
Does anybody remember 'swamp gas'?

From: inhalien [Chevy Chase]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 13:58

It was probably a C or D engine (Estes) so quit squabbling, you pinheads. And you're right; the pilot should know the difference between a bottle rocket and a high-powered model rocket. I almost hit an airplane once with one. The plane began dropping parachutists just as my rocket shot left of it's wing - oops...my bad.

From: rocco [I'm the funny man!]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 14:16

Sorry, but the term "cockpit" always makes me laugh.

Yeah, I know that they're now technically referred to as the "flight deck," but it just doesn't help the giggity-giggity factor.

From: aulduron [Aulduron]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 14:48

I'm not impressed with pilots that can't tell the difference from a rocket propelled grenade and a pop bottle rocket.

How fast was the plane going and how fast was the rocket going? Where are the pilots eyes supposed to looking? What actions could the pilots have taken to avoid the missile in question had it been dangerous?

Would you be able to tell the difference if they flew past your 70 mph car?

From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 15:07

From: wulfgartheblack [Wulfgar the Black]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 13:56

Flight 800
More than 120 sane, sober, reliable eye-witnesses [including military, cops, pilots, etc.]reported a flame shooting toward the aircraft just BEFORE the explosion.

FBI concluded that they were ALL wrong - not one of them saw what they ALL reported.

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Have you ever seen the video? It clearly shows the missile, with the jet stream, homing in on the plane, just before it explodes. The FBI explained it away, by saying that at that point, the plane had already exploded, & that it was a piece of the plane which had been blown off. OK, but that does nothing to explain the com trail as the missile rises. So the FBI is saying that the piece is actually going down away from the plane, instead of up, as our eyes see it. They must really thing that people are totally stupid, but you know what? Most people are stupid, shit, they elected Bush twice.

From: hawk3 [tritium]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 15:44

Serious rocketeers are using or building hybrid motors that use pvc, nitrous oxide, polyethylene, and oxygen boosters. These rockets can easily achieve 20,000 feet.
If you are interested in experimenting with these, be prepared for a visit from the BATF or maybe a phone call. Also, it's a con trail (condensation).

From: backuptheholler [Junebug James]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 15:55

I've already scared people with the stories of my childhood homemade "rocket" days. I was truly touched by the photo of scared kitty. I won't scare kitty again.

From: poontang [footlong]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 16:08

bottle rocket my ass

ok...soooooo who or what was on the airplane...that may shed some light on this...

flash a light beam at the piulots eyes and the FBI goes nuts

fire a rocket/missile/whatever it was and they just blow it offby saying "they may never know"

From: evilviper [evilviper]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 17:21

I'll call bullshit on this. A week later, and NO OTHER SOURCES for this incident? I'd say the news guy at KWY1060 just got fired.

Try a search on Google News for any of the terms (flight 621, LAX rocket, etc) and you'll only find one result, and that one cites the morons at KWY1060.

From: ogrotten [rotten og]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 17:50

As kids when we felt like being responsible we'd phone the local air tower (in our case a helicopter base) and let them know we were firing off rockets near by. It was never more than kiddie stuff, 2 stage D class rockets but it was enough for heli-pilots to have reported seeing them and usually properly identifying them without help from the tower. Seriously, besides frozen turds from airliners and birds theres not many small objects shooting through the air.

From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 18:31

From: evilviper [evilviper]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 17:21

I'll call bullshit on this. A week later, and NO OTHER SOURCES for this incident? I'd say the news guy at KWY1060 just got fired.

Try a search on Google News for any of the terms (flight 621, LAX rocket, etc) and you'll only find one result, and that one cites the morons at KWY1060.
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So, did Uncle put the kabosh on the story, & these guys didn't get the word, or, they did get the word & publish anyway, or did it never happen, & they just made it up? Which one do you all think?

From: aulduron [Aulduron]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 18:51

Serious rocketeers are using or building hybrid motors that use pvc, nitrous oxide, polyethylene, and oxygen boosters. These rockets can easily achieve 20,000 feet.
If you are interested in experimenting with these, be prepared for a visit from the BATF or maybe a phone call. Also, it's a con trail (condensation).

If it shows up on radar, expect the FAA too. Crane operators, for instance, have to notify the FAA if they go higher than X number of feet. Anything that shows up on radar has to be investigated to make sure it's not a threat to air travel lanes.

From: bongwater [bongwater]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 20:29

This is identical to the sacenario that played out in New York several years ago. Eyewitnesses saw a rocket trail headed for flight 800 moments before the plane descended into the atlantic. Our intelligence community is nothing more than elaborate window dressing enlisted to pull the illusory veil of safety over our eyes everytime a militant group raises its ugly head in this country. Bottle rocket, indeed.

From: gunlover [Doug]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 20:52

Anyone see on t.v. this past week the flight 800 story? Seems one of our gov. agencies figured when the fuel tank exploded the cockpit broke off and the streak of light people saw was the rest of the plane shooting up and forward untill it ran out of fuel or finally caught on fire. History or Discoverytimes I believe. wtf?

From: wingedmonkeyminion [Satan Himself]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 04:55

Frank Zappa did it.

I miss his music...

From: doczzz [dwarf fusion]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 07:05

This thing didn't have a radar signature?

LAX is a particularly vulnerable airport because any asswipe with a boat can fire at airplanes as they take off over the ocean. They would likely get away by the time the commotion died down and the coast guard/baywatch/etc. realized what had happened. There are hundreds, if not thousands of boats out there on any given day.

Jihad is coming to our shores, guys... probably once we leave Iraq, these nutjobs will try to top 9/11.

From: doczzz [dwarf fusion]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 07:14

From: evilviper [evilviper]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 17:21

I'll call bullshit on this. A week later, and NO OTHER SOURCES for this incident? I'd say the news guy at KWY1060 just got fired.

Try a search on Google News for any of the terms (flight 621, LAX rocket, etc) and you'll only find one result, and that one cites the morons at KWY1060.

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No offense, but you sound naive.

You don't think it's possible that this type of news could be suppressed (even if it turned out to be false)? Clearly, if given validation and multiple corroborative sources, this incident would cause widespread panic and likely cripple the flying industry a la 9/11.

My guess is that this type of event wouldn't be publicized unless it was witnessed by multiple people or there was a direct hit and therefore undeniable.

From: lorenpechtel [Loren]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 09:29

The point about the D12 is not the extra dash, it's the incomplete code.

I was more addressing the guy who claimed to multi-stage them with fireworks, though--he obviously assumed the 12 was the burn time.

From: trawlingnet [mike]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 11:01

I remember in England in the eighties IRA guys getting arrested just outside Heathrow ariport. They were hiding by the perimeter fence, had RPG's with several rounds. The funny thing at the time was the nearest runway to them was recieving Transatlantic Pan-am flights from New York. To think that the "irish" in their Celtic Manhattan bars were funding them to buy the RPG's in the first place..

From: piscivore [Michael C. Scott]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 13:01

The FBI "will probably never know" because FBI agents are basically just niggers with GEDs who are first-rate only at committing perjury under oath, like Special Agent Robert Moen. They're also pretty good at murdering silly Jesus freaks: Janet Reno was worried that some of the Branch Davidian weirdos might have been abusing their kids, so the FBI heroically incinerated said kids. FBI snipers like Lon Horiuchi are great at blowing the heads off unarmed innocent women like Victy Weaver. Let's also not forget the brilliant police work that led to the arrests of the 9/11 hijackers before they could hurt anyone.

From: doczzz [dwarf fusion]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 13:56

From: piscivore [Michael C. Scott]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 13:01

The FBI "will probably never know" because FBI agents are basically just niggers with GEDs who are first-rate only at committing perjury under oath, like Special Agent Robert Moen. They're also pretty good at murdering silly Jesus freaks: Janet Reno was worried that some of the Branch Davidian weirdos might have been abusing their kids, so the FBI heroically incinerated said kids. FBI snipers like Lon Horiuchi are great at blowing the heads off unarmed innocent women like Victy Weaver. Let's also not forget the brilliant police work that led to the arrests of the 9/11 hijackers before they could hurt anyone.

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Good thing there are smart people like you around, Mr. Scott. Clearly, everything can be traced to niggers eventually. Our vast nigger conspiracy will never pull the wool over the eyes of highly evolved people like you!!!!

The one scapegoat you left out of your diatribe are the people who actually shot supposed missile...

1)Could they be fucktards who wanted to commemorate some milestone of Nazi history, like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold?

2)Or friends of that great hero Timothy McVeigh blowing up the OKC federal building with 22 babies in it. Mainly nigger FBI babies, no doubt.

3)Or buddies of Eric Rudolph blowing people up in the name of aborted white babies (WTF?). Those babies were probably going to grow up to replace FBI niggers, right?

4)Or Fred Phelps picketing Iraq soldier's funerals because gays haven't been put in concentration camps yet? Maybe he launched it at some West Hollywood fags.

5)Or the Bush administration cocksuckers who valiantly captured Saddam for non-existent WMD, but Osama is still out there swinging his cock in our face. Maybe Osama was in LA on vacation? Or Bush needs to boost his approval ratings?

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Let's blame everyone except the straight white guys for all of our problems. Thank God for patriots like you.

From: ikthool [ikthool]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 14:29

reader57-so did any of you ever get buzzed and launch rockets?
A freind of mine inherited 25,000$ on his 18th birthday.He spent 5,000$ on a mustang,the rest we blew on weed,model rockets,gun powder,and occasionaly coke.We would get wasted and build these(explosive) things until about 3 a.m.,then set them off in the elementary school's feild,waking up the whole village.I would be so pissed if kids that lived near me started doing that.

From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 17:56

This is interesting, the FBI claims to have "lost" key evidence regarding Flight 800:

More precisely than any other evidence dredged up from the Atlantic Ocean in the months after the mysterious explosion of Flight 800 in 1996, the numerous metal fragments discovered during autopsies and taken by the FBI for analysis potentially defined the exact nature of the explosion that ripped the 747 in half and killed 230 people.

In the First Circuit Appeals Court in Boston on the morning December 7th, 2005, the FBI will attempt to defend how their $40 million investigation could have mislaid this critical information...(more)
[whatreallyhappened.com]

From: conspiracy [Theory]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 18:10

It was a UFO ... Piloted by Elvis ... Under orders from Totenhawk ...That's who did the shooting....

Yep....

My Nuts Itch .... More later...

MTC

From: thaimaixhu [Thai Mai Xhu]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 18:14

"It was a UFO ... Piloted by Elvis ... Under orders from Totenhawk ...That's who did the shooting"

You must have seen the now confiscated footage where you can make out the tailfins of a 1959 caddy on the rocket as it went by (without signaling I might add).

From: piscivore [Michael C. Scott]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 20:03

If your heroes are the FBI and your enemies the elected government, you are probably in need of ritalin, Mr. Dwarf Fusion.

From: 2muchfun [Wulfgar the having too much fun]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 21:45

From: wingedmonkeyminion [Satan Himself]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 04:55

Frank Zappa did it.

I miss his music...
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I miss the Mothers but Frank is still around and still performing in his Leon Redbone persona. Not what your average Mothers fan would go for but Zappa was always about more than rock.
Think about it - look at that schnoz, listen to that voice. And always with that hat over his eyes. Even when they were both 'alive' you never saw them together - like Clark and Super.