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From: antinomianist [AERDNA]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 07:09

In August, researchers at Duke University in North Carolina found that amphetamines, including Ecstasy, reversed the effects of Parkinson's disease in mice, raising the possibility of exploring related treatments for humans.

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Ewwwwwwwwwww - seriously I don't want those old, shaky bastards trying to rub up on me in a club because they're high on E. Awh and just think of what will go on with co-patients...ick

From: jimbojakkjonsun [john smyth]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 07:38

presciption extasy and ice/crank/glass/meth anyone?

From: mraverage [Sr. Promedio]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 08:04

A chemist i know who is a former student of his at Berekley said that he is the most inteligent man she ever met. There are a million of careful chemists. There are lots of people who can figure out how to cobble together molicules. Some worked in medicine. Only Sholguin can envision a substance in 3D, predict what it will do in a human brain (and be correct), assemble it, test it and know it's safe. The man is a gift from God. I doubt that much has "leaked out of his lab", that sounds more like a dealers brag. However; he has published two books on how to make hundreds of psycedelic and entheogenic chemicals. See "PIHKAL" and "TIHKAL". 1/3 story, 1/3 trip report, 1/3 chemistry, they are not for bathtub crank cookers.

From: athenasolivetree [Grey-Eyed]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 08:05

I agree with [CJ], Alexander Shulgin is a god. After trying X, I was convinced "they" should put it in the water supply... Just think, if we were all loving and happy, no more war or violence. What a beautiful life that would be. I realize there could be other problems that arise.. but, its my dream, so let me enjoy it

From: brainspore [Brainspore]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 08:36

Ecstasy is one of the many harmless drugs that our government is spending untold billions trying to eliminate for no good reason. The only studies that have shown any negative effects were hopelessly biased or hopelessly flawed (remember the republican-funded lab that admitted it accidentally studied the effects of meth instead of E?)

Let's have a little consistency here. Either ban alcohol and tobacco, or allow marijuana and ecstasy.

From: rockspin [Dopeman]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 08:37

Werd. Never heard him refered to as Dr. Ecstasy, tho, seems like media hype. Shame about MDMA, because it could have been theraptc for so many people.

From: popo [insert witticism]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 08:46

There is research indicating the presence of neurotoxic metabolites of MDMA, but there are just as many indicators that many if most (or even all) of the associated deaths were due to the presence of impurities and other drugs in the dosage; or the excessive drinking of water while high (forget what that's called).

Good thing these guys are out of funds.
[ecstasydata.org]

Every time I take exctacy I find a warm spot on a couch. But that's just twice.

From: athenasolivetree [Grey-Eyed]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 09:00

The federal government takes the fun out of everything. Stupidheads

From: ralius [Dustin Britt]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 09:54

though ecstacy is said to be more harmful than it actually is, it still IS harmful, take it from someone who's taken it a few too many times. remember, some things are better left unsaid, which is exactly the opposite of what x will make you do. but as for brain damage, taking 5-htp, prozac, and antioxidants will heal everything before the E oxidizes and turns to bleach.

From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 10:39

"In August, researchers at Duke University in North Carolina found that amphetamines, including Ecstasy, reversed the effects of Parkinson's disease in mice, raising the possibility of exploring related treatments for humans."

I have a different take, then the previous one. The government uses the excuse that a particular drug has "no medicinal value" to facilitate banning it, like what they did with MJ. So if Ecstasy actually reverses Parkinson disease, this puts the government in a quandary. It will be interesting how it turns out. I think that there may be many more prescriptions written, then there are patients, lol.

From: rawnchee [Rawn Chee]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 10:44

MDMA isn't harmless. I've seen a few too many E-tards to think that it's just candy. But it does have theraputic uses that should be permitted, for sure, and maybe some recreational uses are valid. But not twice a week, in huge doses.

Another poster pointed out the use of 5HTP and SSRIs can fix things - well, the problem with that is you have to know what part of the trip you're in and remember to use the meds. It would be very handy if some sort of time-release 5HTP and SSRI were developed that could be used in conjunction with MDMA. I am not entirely sure that this would prevent all the brain damage, and it certainly won't cure you have the results of MDMA behavior (such as having sex with someone you wouldn't have, otherwise).

As far as stuff leaking out of Shulgin's lab....phuleeze! This guy is so watched by the DEA, that I am sure there's a lab to analyze the waste products from him and his lab. He's not stupid, he wouldn't leak any materials. Information, on the other hand, is legit to release. At least for now.

From: weghalbert [the_mad_hatter]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 11:18

sounds like a updated version of 'Owsley"...remember that legendary "Acid" maker from the 70s,,,,he was good at his craft

Any rotten posters know what happened to Owsley???
Jail??,,Dead??,,in hidding???,,lecture tour???

THE WAR ON DRUGS IS A COMPLETE FAILURE....
Its time to legalize everything under the sun, tax it, regulate it, and then register addicts so they can get free drugs from medecare,,,,

ok lets see the posts that follow with this topic////////

From: blissfulgirl [~^-^~]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 13:40

From Wikipedia...

Owsley Stanley (b. Augustus Owsley Stanley III, January 19, 1935) was the first 'underground' chemist to mass produce high-quality LSD in the 1960s. Known to most simply as Owsley or Bear, he served eighteen months in the U.S. Air Force during the 1950s. In 1963 he began attending U.C. Berkeley where he tried his first psychoactive drug and decided to produce methedrine. Police eventually raided his lab in 1965 but found only precursors.

Owsley moved to L.A. to pursue the production of LSD. He used his methedrine proceeds to buy bulk lysergic acid and produced an enormous quantity of individual LSD 'trips', estimated at anywhere between 100,000 and 10 million doses. Once finished, he returned to the Bay area, where he supplied LSD to Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters for their famous acid tests.

In late 1967, Owsley's lab was raided by police; he was found in possession of a huge quantity of LSD, the equivalent of several hundred thousand individual doses. Despite this incriminating evidence, he claimed that it was for personal use, but was eventually found guilty and sentenced to three years in prison.

Owsley Stanley went on to do more sound work for the Grateful Dead after he was released from prison. He now lives in Queensland, Australia.

From: tsentsen [tsentsen]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 14:03

There's got to be somebody he's pissed off somewhere, someway or somehow.

I've read somewhere else that mdma has medical potential. It used to be called the 'love drug' back in the early '80's. I'd used it a couple times and found that to be a reasonable adjective. One time while under the influence I actually sat, smiled and listened to my mother when she went into one of her usual tirades. It makes me wonder about all the other quashed discoveries that we don't know about.
It'll be great to read his encyclopedia when and more importantly IF it comes out.
Hey popo, I think it's called water intoxification...maybe?

From: twdldee [twdldee]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 14:24

Funny that the drug started out by being only taken by therapists. I wonder what other drugs the therapists are "sampling" and passing around their secret societies.

From: tsentsen [tsentsen]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 15:24

Hey Bliss...wooo!!!

I am so totaly red in the face, it was funny!

From: backuptheholler [Junebug James]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 15:59

antinomianist [AERDNA]
Ewwwwwwwwwww - seriously I don't want those old, shaky bastards trying to rub up on me in a club

Ah, but some day we will all be old, shaky bastards (some of us sooner than others) and then it won't seem like such a bad idea.

Why is it so many of the researchers who develop psychedelic drugs use them? There's a lesson there somewhere.....

From: poontang [footlong]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 16:09

drugs are for dopes

From: trashfag [Adam]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 16:09

Mommy, I want to be a psychotherapist when I grow up!

From: mrgrenre [Mr. Gren're]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 16:17

an interesting tidbit/funfact from another forum

A lot of those problems are circumvented when LSD is administered in a controlled environment. The studies done in the 40s involved the children being in a soundproofed room that they had been in before with dimmed lights and soft, gentle music. They shared the room with the doctor and nurse that they were most comforable with, and lay on a nice, soft couch or bed while the nurse held his or her hand. These previously sullen, paranoid, or plain unresponsive children suddenly became cuddly, open, and willing to talk about anything. The course of treatment was two or three sessions. Of the studies I've read - and, granted, I'm not an expert - not a single bad trip occurred and nearly all of the children showed some improvement.

From: antinomianist [AERDNA]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 17:08

From: backuptheholler [Junebug James]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 15:59

antinomianist [AERDNA]
Ewwwwwwwwwww - seriously I don't want those old, shaky bastards trying to rub up on me in a club

Ah, but some day we will all be old, shaky bastards (some of us sooner than others) and then it won't seem like such a bad idea.
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Oh not me - I plan to be dead by thirty and still pretty.

From: rockspin [Dopeman]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 17:27

Amen.

Except for the pretty thing. I hope to still be masculine then.

From: backuptheholler [Junebug James]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 18:21

Oh not me - I plan to be dead by thirty and still pretty.

I figured that way too...god (allah, flying spaghetti monster) knows I tried. And here I am pushing 50 (and half-way through a bottle of wine). Life is funny.

From: becouchgrass [danesbong]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 19:26

MDMA would be a fantastic chemical for clinical and other kinds of depression. Not as a daily thing, but as a momentary perception of your self and relationships and the world without your usual cynical, angry or morbid perceptions. I don't like to party when I take MDMA. I like to have very little that needs to be done, and play guitar and think about things. There's something bizarre about playing an instument on ecstacy, I think it has something to do with a disjointedness I get between the me listening and the me playing. It fucking boggles my mind while I'm sitting there, feeling like I imagine Jesus would feel while he's taken MDMA, with only love in my heart for the world, that I could be arrested for possession of this substance. Boggles the mind. What manner of anal retentive fuckwits would support the ban of such a substance, without having even taken it? Shulgin is a fucking chemistry genius and although I find the personal stories fairly sappy and poorly written in TIHKAL and PIHKAL, to any budding chemist these are invaluable texts. Plus his qualatitive comments re the effect of the hundreds of new and exciting chemicals he personally synthesises and samples are excellent. The man is hardcore. He'll make some bizarre, never before sythesised phenethylamine, take 100 mg orally, report nausea and vomiting, take 250 mg orally, report more nausea and vomiting and tunnel vision, take 500 mg INTRAVENOUSLY, and so on. One of my heroes.

From: weghalbert [the_mad_hatter]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 20:24

From: blissfulgirl [~^-^~]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 13:40

From Wikipedia...

Owsley Stanley (b. Augustus Owsley Stanley III, January 19, 1935) was the first 'underground' chemist to mass produce high-quality LSD in the 1960s. Known to most simply as Owsley or Bear, he served eighteen months in the U.S. Air Force during the 1950s. In 1963 he began attending U.C. Berkeley where he tried his first psychoactive drug and decided to produce methedrine. Police eventually raided his lab in 1965 but found only precursors.

Thanks Blissfulgirl,,,,,,,I was in High school in the early 70s and and a lot of hippies boasted of how good Owsley acid was,,,,,he made a ton of hits,,,

From: gunlover [Doug]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 21:44

Back in the 80's we got this cid called green pyramid. Anyone remember it? Melted in your mouth but shattered like glass if you tried to split it? My one and only bad trip was poppy seeds-fuck.Shook hands with both the Devil and God on that one.

From: blissfulgirl [~^-^~]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 21:51

hehehe wooo to you too tsentsen [tsentsen] I damn near peed myself laughing when I read that because in my high school (in the late 70's early 80's) our cheerleaders all drank a lot and often misspelled their cheers...thanks for the trip down memory lane!

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You're welcome weghalbert [the_mad_hatter], I have a friend who claims he was a true "deadhead" way back in the day and supposedly had a tab of Owsley's finest...which he said tripped him for days and involved 10 foot purple guppies trying to breast feed him. I'm not sure if I believe him...but it makes for a great story when he tells it at cocktail parties.

From: aulduron [Aulduron]
Date: 3-Dec-2005 22:33

Gold Key was my favorite.

From: spacedcadet5555 [dick]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 02:18

legalize all drugs. but if you overdose or get sick. you don't get any help. if you die well too bad. it's your problem not the governments. if you steal they shoot you. if you rape they shoot you. if you kill they shoot you.
Darwin will get his

From: deathbox [Pinky]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 03:29

Another good idea gone bad. Like christianity.

What a same. Oh..well..... I...I...love you ....allllll......

From: sexybipuss [OhOhOhOh]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 13:53

The problem with a lot of E out there is that it's cut with other things. Meth, heroin, etc. Sometimes it can add to your euphoria and sometimes it can't. Pure mdma is probably the best ride I've ever taken. I must say that I have seen some side effects from my heavy use of it for a few years until about 7 months ago. I've noticed some memory problems and I really do believe that it brought on some depression. Maybe with lighter doses it might be useful. I was using 1-2 times a week from 2 - 4 pills a time at the end (sometimes more). And E does not make you a nympho or lose control of your morals as someone insinuated earlier. Than again, I was a weird 'roller' and didn't care for strange people to be touching or rubbing on me.

From: mcgyver [Steve]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 15:43

Dr. Ecstasy eh? Didn't I see him on the golf course the other day with Dr. Coke, Dr. Meth and Dr. Crack?

From: chickenlittle [IToldYouItWasFalling]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 20:12

This guy is 80 years old and has had over 4000 "psychedelic experiences"? My grandpa's an ex-minister and has never so much as drank or smoked once in his life, and at 73 the docs' give him 2 years to live. Guess he should have taken some E and lived it up a little

From: mraverage [Sr. Promedio]
Date: 4-Dec-2005 21:06

Dr. Shulgin isn't the only one proving that psychedelics do no harm. The discoverer of LSD, Dr. Albert Hofmann will turn 100 in about 37 days, and he may have done it once or twice more since his first trip in 1943. I saw i picture of him doing tai chi at 80.

From: gory4d [G.L.F.]
Date: 5-Dec-2005 06:39

Spot the error in this sentence: '"It's very excellent potential for being used as medicine has been badly jeopardized," Alexander Shulgin, told Reuters after defending the merits of mind-altering drugs at a symposium on the human brain at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology this week.'

For shame, Reuters, for shame.