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Court TV | Submitted by: I Saw Mommy Whipping Santa Clause
"Attorneys have asked the U.S. Supreme Court to hear the case of a teen sentenced to 30 years in prison for killing his grandparents when he was 12, arguing that the sentence is cruel."
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From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 15:43
I don't care what they decide, as long as they apply the standard fairly. Just like the death penalty. No getting out of it because you look like this, for instance: 
From: gargoyle1
Date: 20-Dec-2007 16:01
Oh sure, blame the drug. Don't take any responsibility for your being a piece of shit and killing your own grandparents. Fuck him. Let him out if he can survive 20 rounds of 00 shot to the head.
From: thesickthsense
[iseewhitepeople!]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 16:16
Pontius, I know 6 year old kids who are already on OCD meds, anti-depressants, etc. It's fucking sick man. Their parents are useless, drama-fucks. They goto the doctor complaining that their kids are being... kids! And hey, the doctor gets $150 (or more, or less) for certain scripts. Especially the newer ones, like these child zombie meds. I want to kill a lot of parents. 6. Years. Old.
From: unistudent14
[your country's future]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 16:32
I know what you mean Doczz. Those hot blond 20 something teachers were always taking advantage of me in high school, the bitches all got away with it too! Damn double standand! as for the story… I went ballistic when put on Zoloft at about 13 or so, I choaked my brother damn near to death and beat some kid up at school, I'm not a violent person and have never done anything like that since so the kid may actually have a case here.
From: bukweat [otay]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 16:40
The only anti-depressant a 12 -yr. old needs is a swift kick in the ass. What the fuck is wrong with people. You take a test to drive,but can procreate you goofy ass off with no questions asked.
From: huwatng [Hue]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 16:49
I was on, lessee, codeine and alcohol at age 6. Of course, that was just OTC cough syrup back in those days. Ate a lot of lead paint too.
From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 17:28
<<the bitches all got away with it too!>> Deb Lafave is the only pedophile I know of who didn't get jail time (I'm sure there are others though). Statutory rape is statutory rape, no matter how willing the child was (After all, some of the girls want their male teachers bad, too) Yes, I stand by my call of "double standard". But in her case, it's not a racial thing, it's a gender thing. I'm just saying that punishments are not applied fairly for similar crimes. The problem is that judges are unduly influenced by their very biased perception of someone's "threat to society". It creates the impression of an unfair justice system.
From: barbarossa58 [Phallus Maximus]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 17:35
Beer at fourteen. Been on it put near 40 years now.
From: snatchvondrippy [snatch]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 17:36
this little shite can rot in gaol - there is no reform here.
From: heineken
[it's beer]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 17:39
Maybe they had it coming. What kind of shit house college let you in when you can't spell "ritalin", a med you profess to have been on? Should have been haldol. The meds your science experiment ass is on hopefully sterilize.
From: bukweat [otay]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 17:44
It creates the impression of an unfair justice system. ********** So where have you been the last three centuries. Yeah we wouldn't want to create that impression.
From: sawgunner [Doug]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:03
His request sounds reasonable enough, just as long as his grandparents agree to the sentence reduction. If they say yes, let him out.
From: snatchvondrippy [snatch]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:07
let's see if jamie lynn's boyfriend get's rapped for tappin a minor
From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:09
The whole idea of unfair punishment is the basis for this being a Rotten article...right Duder? I was simply using the analogy of "age discrimination" with gender discrimination in bringing up Debra LaFave. I could have chosen IQ discrimination, income discrimination, "political connectedness" discrimination (think George W. Bush and his drunk driving conviction), etc. Racial discrimination would have been too easy and predictable coming from me...I want to give that one a rest for awhile. Anyway, sending a 12 year old to prison for 30 years sounds cruel, until you consider the crime involved. Why should the little shit get away with double homicide and then get a slap on the wrist?...only a retard would claim that a 12 year old doesn't know murder is wrong.
From: sensuous
Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:18
Does anyone remember this story? Was it just the medication he was on? Or did he have other reasons for killing them?
From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:21
The medication was the only excuse the lawyer could find to get the jury's sympathy. I think it's a red herring. Clearly it didn't work, and the lawyer is hoping the Supreme Court is more retarded than a jury of his peers.
From: mikeisgreen
[Mike]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:22
I'm glad I wasn't raised in a world of "fix-it" meds. I would have been pumped up so full of drugs that I would not have been able to function. That, thankfully, I have saved for my adult life.  Murder is murder, but a 12 year old kid isn't yet finished becoming what he's going to be. There have been cases of successful intervention. I think these people are complaining that this kid will never get a chance to grow up. Mind you, it seems that he did a lot of growing up when he decided to pull the trigger.
From: unistudent14
[your country's future]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:30
I'm just saying, maybe he was flying on mind altering meds, his doctor prescribed in far to high a dose and had no damn idea what he was doing at the time. If he’s just trying to get out of it though give him the chair. Why should we pay for his room and board for 30 years only to have him let out a middle aged man who probably can’t take care of him self and requires yet further assistance?
From: bukweat [otay]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:38
I really don't know enough about the case to make an argument.I do believe the discrepancies in sentencing from state to state is a huge problem.Also,like Mike said there have been successes in reaching kids this young.Maybe. Then again if he's been in custody w/out treatment since 2001,it's probably a moot point by now.If he's locked up for 30 years though,it might as well be a life sentence.Damaged goods by then,if not in 2001.
From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:41
<<There have been cases of successful intervention.>> True, but there are probably just as many cases where they get out and they kill again. It's like putting retarded people in prison. Maybe they didn't know what they were doing, but they don't have the excuse of "growing out of it". However, they are still a danger to society. I'm getting to be more of a hard-ass as I grow older. I think what is really fucking up our society is a lack of personal responsibility. These days, anyone can give an excuse for why they didn't play by the rules, and it will be accepted.
From: thesickthsense
[iseewhitepeople!]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:42
"There have been cases of successful intervention." That's news to me. I wonder if the 'success' is the same as with pedos. They simply get smarter, and are less likely to get caught doing it again. If there's one thing prison is good for, it's teaching you to be a better criminal when you come out than you were when you came in.
From: crnkybitch
[cranky bitch]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:47
http://www.courttv.com/trials/pittman/index.html Several articles about the case here. He went to live with his grandparents after threatening, some articles say attempting suicide. His father couldn't deal with him anymore, his mother was gone. His had visited his grandparents frequently and it was a "stable" place for him to live. He blamed the murders on a black guy at first but later said he did it after voices told him too. He supposedly had complained of various side effects from the meds in the past, not sure if hallucinations was one of his complaints.
From: crnkybitch
[cranky bitch]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:52
It's like putting retarded people in prison. Maybe they didn't know what they were doing, but they don't have the excuse of "growing out of it". However, they are still a danger to society. +++ Agreed. Same thing here, I think. If you're so retarded you don't know its wrong to kill, or can be talked into killing you are a danger to society, and society is a danger to you. Same thing if you are that mentally ill.
From: facetious [smart ass]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 19:14
I think what is really fucking up our society is a lack of personal responsibility. These days, anyone can give an excuse for why they didn't play by the rules, and it will be accepted. ~~~~~~~~~~ You are so right.
From: bukweat [otay]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 19:26
It's more irresponsibility than responsibility.Why,I remember as a child we didn't get shoes till winter and they were snowshoes.Oh we had running water alright-run down to the creek with a bucket that is.Ma had to cut the bottom of my pockets out so I'd have something to play with........ Seriously though,there's just too many lawyers.
From: rotteneggs13
[a bakers dozen]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 19:54
The Zoloft defense The Ambien defense http://druglaw.typepad.com/drug_law_blog/ambien/index.html The Paxil defense http://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/media/ssri/Paxil_murder.htm
From: mikeisgreen
[Mike]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 19:56
From: doczzz [dwarf fusion] Date: 20-Dec-2007 18:41 "I'm getting to be more of a hard-ass as I grow older. I think what is really fucking up our society is a lack of personal responsibility..." ******************************************************************** You too?  Seriously. It seems as the years go by I become less and less tolerant of fucktardery. Luckily, I already have to use a cane from time to time. I think I'll fill my cane with lead
From: gargoyle1
Date: 20-Dec-2007 20:24
Eggsy, Ambien can really fuck with your head. I take it for some really bad insomnia and if I don't go to bed right away, well, I do weird shit. I've posted here and don't remember. I come the next day and read over it, and I'm like WTF was I thinking. My wife says I say weird shit and act silly. I have no knowledge of my previous actions either, it's freaky. You can tell if I've been here while fucked up, my spelling and so on are horrid. So, lets have a merry xmas Eggs
From: rslip [joe]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 20:25
From: unistudent14 [your country's future] Date: 20-Dec-2007 16:56 I'm not 14 I'm a sophomore in college. Hey college kid.....it's R-I-T-A-L-I-N I take it spelling and grammar are no longer required in college?
From: rotteneggs13
[a bakers dozen]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 20:36
A walking cane/gun for you Mike  -----+-----+----- Goyle, I took Ambien for a week or so; it didn't work. But I took Paxil; side f/x; hallucinations, time distortions, 1/2 of me felt taller than the other, sped my ass off, insomnia. Tried Celexa, mainly time distortions Effexor was the worst (didn't sleep for ~a month, I was so cranked up on that shit), and the side f/x lasted for about 2 months after taking the last dose. Not to mention that all 3 drugs shut down my digestive system (beginning to end) These are powerful drugs
From: slappymcbappy [Slappy McBappy]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 21:03
The kid's lawyer was incompetent for not claiming Gramps raped the boy daily while Grandma watched. Kids don't lie about those things after all... motion to dismiss.
From: slappymcbappy [Slappy McBappy]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 21:10
"But I took Paxil; side f/x; hallucinations, time distortions, 1/2 of me felt taller than the other, sped my ass off, insomnia" -------- Those are cool side effects though, compared to most pills that just give you headaches or make you sick.
From: burusekkasu [GodlessSodomite]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 21:25
You know what? Fuck all of you and your righteous indignation; including myself in this very statement.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 20-Dec-2007 22:47
The kid still gets to grow up, he just has to do it behind bars. If he doesn't make any of his chances at parole, he'll still only be 42 when he gets out.
From: bukweat [otay]
Date: 21-Dec-2007 05:14
From: insineratehymn [Spontaneous Christian Combustion] Date: 21-Dec-2007 04:35 Upon release, he should be anally impaled on a broken, splintered broomstick. *********** Let's keep those family sex practices at home,whatta you say.
From: ginnaericka [Ginna]
Date: 21-Dec-2007 06:06
I actually sympathize for the kid. When I was 19, I realized I needed a bit of chemical help to control my issues, so I saw a psychiatrist. Bitch gave me a prescription for Zoloft, and on the very first dose, I had a total psychotic meltdown. When I felt what was coming, I demanded my brother isolate me in my bedroom and tie about a yard of thick twine to my doorknob and another doorknob in the hallway to keep me in there. I gave him all the potentially weapon items in my room, along with whatever painkiller or consumable chemicals were in the room (hell, even the Windex.), and sure enough, not even 20 minutes later, I was off the deep end but conscious enough to see what was going on. If I had not seen this coming, and hadn't asked my brother to lock me up til it passed, he and my mom would have been stabbed over and over and over again. For the makers of Zoloft to swear there's no sort of psychotic reactions associated with their product...that's irresponsible. They admit the increased youth suicide aspect of things, but the minute someone slaughters their family, oh no...it wasn't the mind altering little pill they'd just taken from the bottle labelled ZOLOFT. Lucky for me, I wasn't stupid enough to keep taking the pills after that one. Once the episode passed, I called my boyfriend and he told me to do whatever I could to get those pills out of the house and to flush my system with water. I gave them to my former boss who was suffering from Post Partum Depression. Zoloft either works for you or sends you off the deep end after making you very ill first.
From: gargoyle1
Date: 21-Dec-2007 06:50
Eggsy, the weird bit about the ambien is that I do shit and don't remember having done it, like coming here and posting. I come in the next day and see the weird shit I posted and sit and wonder. My wife asks if I remember giggling about something stupid, nope, not a thing, I was asleep man. Hell, I'll carry on a full converstation with her and not know it. We were discussing just the other day whether I'm getting up and eating at night and not knowing it. My sugars have been a bit off in the morning, like I ate something. Don't think I did though, we'd notice the food disappearing if I was. So I still don't know what's up with the sugars, LOL.
From: okshunalljeanyes [Sometimes Not]
Date: 21-Dec-2007 09:24
"...Pittman's attorneys unsuccessfully argued the slayings were influenced by the antidepressant Zoloft..." "the government's strongest warning short of a ban — about an increased risk of suicidal behavior in children." So much for his lame excuse. It would have been a good one if he'd killed himself..and a much happier ending.
From: snowwhite [SnowWhite]
Date: 21-Dec-2007 11:27
So the kid is depressed, they give him some good head drugs and then he offs his grand parents so they lock his 12 year old girlie ass up with a bunch of horny men. By the time he gets out the only skillS he will have learned in prison is being a carnival sword swallower or squealing like a pig on command.
From: tml [BushSucksDick]
Date: 21-Dec-2007 15:17
They should retry the case. Maybe this time he will get the death penalty
From: loveto
[Jill Awf]
Date: 21-Dec-2007 16:25
I was on Zolaft for ten years. Felt fine the last coupla years, just didnt want to go off of meds without having a shrink handy. Came back this summer, told the shrink I was done and, despite the protests during the first month, am fine. Some people need help to deal with a chemical imbalance. Others can be taught how to deal with it. Some people are either too fuctup and can't be helped, or aren't fucked up and think they are. When these people try meds, they go nutso.
From: pighunter [Tripod]
Date: 22-Dec-2007 00:34
Well, there's always a chance they deserved it! Fuckit, flip a coin
From: insineratehymn
[Spontaneous Christian Combustion]
Date: 22-Dec-2007 03:41
From: bukweat [otay] Date: 21-Dec-2007 05:14 Let's keep those family sex practices at home,whatta you say _________________________________________ How did you know that I practice this stuff at home? You must've been watching Come back when you can spell properly, bukweat (alias killbill, alias vivelafrance) Notice how bukweat shows up on Rotten after school lets out for the holidays
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 22-Dec-2007 05:33
How can a manufacturer of a drug designed to affect a persons mood, emotions and psychological perceptions reasonably assert the drug had no part in the murder? Different people react differently to drugs. I was on Tegretol for three days and wanted to kill everyone for no reason. When I told my doctor, he said it wasn't possible because there wasn't enough of the drug in my system to be therapeutic or cause an effect. I called bullshit. If it can give me dry mouth and the shakes in 45 minutes, it can affect my brain. I flushed the rest of the prescription and two days later was back to my normal self. Thirty years is very cruel considering his age and the drug. Psychoactive drugs can make you do some truly heinous things that you simply would not do if they had not been in your system.
From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 22-Dec-2007 06:08
A drug like prozac cannot "make" you pick up a gun and blow away your grandparents. If that were the case, then we should not jail drunk drivers, because the alcohol "made" them do it. Many drugs can affect your system and have side effects, but none of them are premeditated murder and arson. However, this is a society where no one is responsible for their own actions. No crime is ever committed without someone not being in their 'right mind' for some reason: drugs, twinkies, fear, emotional distress, fatigue, horniness, ego, etc... I can't agree with that.
From: androloma
[the Manchurian Centurion]
Date: 22-Dec-2007 06:38
Being comparatively stable-minded, it's hard for me to imagine mental instability. Which is why I find deviate sociopathy mildly intriguing. Having only had chemical experiences limited to cannabis, lysergic acid and cocaine; I find myself incredibly lacking in first-hand knowledge of these other mind-altering chemicals aforementioned. And probably I'm much better off.
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 22-Dec-2007 07:26
Doc, maybe a drug can't "make" you do a damn thing. You of all people should know better. Sure, some people have that internal stop that enables them to always know the difference between what is right wrong, but not everyone does and certain drugs that tamper with mental processes are certainly capable of causing VERY compelling urges. Especially in a 12 year old child who may have been unstable (but not dangerous) to begin with. Drugs affect people differently. If it can cause a suicidal episode, surely it can cause a homicidal episode. Of course, you have to agree that people in the grips of such momentary madness are beyond their own control. In this case, it is entirely possible that the drug was responsible for the emotions and/or hallucinations that led to this incident. In this case, I believe mercy should be shown. He was 12, he was on a mind-altering drug, and he did what is unthinkable.
From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 22-Dec-2007 08:00
<<In this case, it is entirely possible that the drug was responsible for the emotions and/or hallucinations that led to this incident. >> Bella, you are conjuring up this "Clockwork Orange" image of an innocent, sweet child being held down and forced to take mind-altering drugs against his will, then being held accountable for psychosis once he started "hallucinating". However, consider the following: -Millions of people (including children) have taken prozac, and they didn't go out and murder people and set fire to their homes. -This kid would not have been put on prozac if there was not something wrong with him in the first place. I am sure he was put on the drug because he was a sociopath to begin with, and it was the only option other than putting him in jail. -He was convicted by a jury of his "peers". The evidence was presented and the sentence carried out according to South Carolina law, just like it is for everyone else. If a state and its people can't be allowed to punish offenders in the way they see fit, then why bother punishing him at all? -Don't let 9 demagogic dumbfucks (ie the Supreme Court) provide their "interpretation" of what constitutes cruel and unusual punishment based on emotional arguments and circumstantial evidence. If laws aren't "fair" when applied to children/retards/druggies/etc, then let's have a national debate about it and make a constitutional amendment that says so. Otherwise, the 14th Amendment guarantees "equal protection" and "equal punishment" for "equal crime". Anyone who murders other than in self defense is a danger to society, no matter what their age. Letting him back on the streets is not the answer.
From: snatchvondrippy [snatch]
Date: 22-Dec-2007 11:29
Anyone who murders other than in self defense is a danger to society, no matter what their age. Letting him back on the streets is not the answer. --- not only not the answer-but a negligent decision (turning the wreckage loose)
From: bukweat [otay]
Date: 22-Dec-2007 13:03
I haven't taken anti-depressants.As a young man I used and abused every street drug and pharmaceutical I could get my hands on.Never committed any acts of violence-other than self-defense.My point being,I don't believe that I am more healthy mentally than others.The 12-year-old must have had a psychotic break. Regardless,society needs to be protected.imo
From: crnkybitch
[cranky bitch]
Date: 22-Dec-2007 17:56
In this case, I believe mercy should be shown. He was 12, he was on a mind-altering drug, and he did what is unthinkable. +++ Bella - What do you suggest be done to a person that is mentally ill or retarded, that commits a crime? If their mental illness or retardation prevents them from knowing right from wrong, does that excuse them? And if medication is to blame, do you excuse them knowing that in the future a different medication may also cause problems? ++++++ Aside from all of that... "http://www.courttv.com/trials/pittman/020105_ctv.html" His story sounds more like something his lawyer came up with, than an actual case of a bad reaction to his medication.
From: roaddog [pclynn]
Date: 22-Dec-2007 23:31
He only wants out long enough to go kill the rest of the inlaws. I'll give him some medication..It's called rat poison.
From: rectalfissure
[Yea I am an Asshole so what?]
Date: 23-Dec-2007 08:01
Anyone who murders other than in self defense is a danger to society, no matter what their age. Letting him back on the streets is not the answer. ============================================ if it is in self defense it isnt murder it is survival
Updated: 26-Dec-2007 20:56
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