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King Midas in reverse
WFTV-TV 9 Orlando | Submitted by: azdollarbill
"A man has been jailed on assault charges after a prosecutor, police officer and courtroom bailiff became seriously ill after shaking hands with him." ... "All of them got sick within an hour, suffering from nausea, headaches, numbness and tingling that lasted about a day. Two sought treatment at a hospital."
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From: popo
[insert witticism]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 06:30
No shit, huh? Too bad he was so obvious about it. Here, lemme dump this shit all over my hand. Now quick, let's shake! Musta run off to the lil philosophers' room to clean up real quick. Or just went home to be sick and enjoy his short pyrrhic victory. Cool though, must still be a relative novelty.
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 06:49
WTF! I want some! Any of the Rotten science geeks have any idea what he used?
From: popo
[insert witticism]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 06:57
Any number of things- strong solvents; sounds like an organic solvent or a nerve toxin like a bugkiller or something. Really anything would work. There's a lot of symbolism in poo, and there's always the LSD trick. Combine your stuff with a good dermal transport carrier and you're good to go. Use of the thin labstyle gloves would be helpful to keep from getting contaminated yourself. I bet you could go far if you could get Hydroflouric Acid all over someone's hands...
From: recurvebow
[traditional archer & aspiring biogeography professor]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 07:00
You could also use something soluble in DMSO and wear a glove that DMSO won't go through because DMSO is odorless, colorless, and goes through skin readily. Now I'm scared to shake hands with potential PhD advisers and collaborators, coming to think of it... and as a scientist/professor-in-training, I'm going to have to do lots of handshaking! What's better (I forget) nitrile or latex gloves for protecting myself from the bulk of things? Or is another material that would work well and not be too attention-grabbing? My archery glove (leather) doesn't quite cut it for some reason...
From: tsentsen [tsentsen]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 07:01
My question is how come the shakee's where affected, but not the shaker?
From: popo
[insert witticism]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 07:08
Nitrile and latex both work pretty good from my experience, but the nitrile ones are hypoallergenic and seem thicker. I've seen stuff that just melts the latex to nothing as well. Nitrile seems to hold up better to the stuff I encounter.
From: niggerusmaximus [N. Maximus]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 07:13
Hydroflouric acid is some nasty ass shit. Something that can dissolve glass is probably best not fucked with.
From: popo
[insert witticism]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 07:17
Interestingly enough, I was applying hydroflouric acid gel to glass plates for some work related tests using nitrile gloves! Seems like they'd work fine... although on bare skin... yeeeeeeeeeeeaaaach.
From: tucanscrew
[three's more fun]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 07:19
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened] Date: 13-Jan-2006 06:49 WTF! I want some! Any of the Rotten science geeks have any idea what he used? ================= bella, all I can say is watch the movie "Mall Rats". The stink palm scene is a riot. You gotta love Kevin Smith.
From: jhigh [apathy incarnate]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 07:30
Well, it probably was not DHMO, even though Dihydrogen Monoxide is responsible for the deaths of thousands of people every year. More info here: [dhmo.org]
From: hurricanefloyd
[I was larger than the Florida Panhandle, you know.]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 07:44
This reminds me of something that happened in Toronto: a policeman shook hands with a bum on the street and a week later he (the cop) was dead from meningitis. Anyone else from around there hear about that? Death by handshake will be the new Avian Flu in the near future. Polite people will be most at risk. We'll all have to wear latex gloves to match our bird flu masks when we venture out in public. Oh my God! The apocalypse is come!
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 08:34
I love "Mall Rats"! Kevin Smith is fabu. When I used to work at a liquor store, I used a variant I called the stink finger. I'd stand around with my hand tucked in the waist band at the back of my pants. Any asshat who got stupid with me got an ass crack flavored finger stroked over the top of his cans while I remained pleasant and friendly. After the annoying customer left, I'd think, with much satisfaction, "He'll be licking my ass crack any minute now."
From: iguanac64 [Itchy Carter]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 08:40
Hrm...pretty skimpy article. Think I would have noticed shaking hands with someone wearing sterile gloves. Still curious what it was.
From: azraeljenkins [BUTT NUGGET]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 08:52
Hey popo- I have a wacky story about HF....back in organic chemistry lab, our professor told us about the chinese exchange student (Ph.D candidate) who he had running one of his labs...anyway they were ordering chemicals for experiments...and the list contained the usual crap, along with some HF and a hacksaw....he thought the hacksaw was a little odd so he asked the student why the hacksaw? student says: with a wtf? are you talking about look on her face, the hacksaw is in case you spill HF on your arm, you will need to cut it off (apparently SOP in China)....wacky enough for rotten?
From: rough1 [slow THEN fast]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 08:52
ciaochowbella, I want to marry you. But only if you're a fox, naturally...
From: carltons [chris]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 08:53
ciaochowbella Brilliant move, that sounds like felony assault! I hope the statute of limitations has not expired on your admission of criminal activity. You might just get a visitor here soon.
From: nekoturk [Amy]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 08:58
tuscanscrew said: bella, all I can say is watch the movie "Mall Rats". The stink palm scene is a riot. You gotta love Kevin Smith. ------------------------------------------------------------- You to beat me to it! I was thinking stinkpalm the whole time. Yeah, rotten minds unite. And Bella, I am a little disturbed by your stinky finger, never would have guessed you'd pull one of those. I can see that coming from tuscanscrew or gargoyle, either way I LMAO!:)
From: popo
[insert witticism]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 09:01
FucknA! Hacksaw. Damn. The 2 mechanisms that cause tissue damage are corrosive burn from the free hydrogen ions and chemical burn from tissue penetration of the fluoride ions. Fluoride ions penetrate and form insoluble salts with calcium and magnesium. Soluble salts also are formed with other cations but dissociate rapidly. Consequently, fluoride ions release, and further tissue destruction occurs. Local effects include tissue destruction and necrosis. Burns may involve underlying bone. Systemic fluoride ion poisoning from severe burns may be associated with hypocalcemia, hyperkalemia, hypomagnesemia, and sudden death. Deaths have been reported from concentrated acid burns to as little as 2.5% BSA. Sounds like a good time.
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 09:07
Carltons, it's misdemeanor assault and since all the evidence is long gone, I have no worries. You see, just because you confess to a crime doesn't mean they can convict you without corroborating(sp?) evidence. Hey, you forget to call me a cunt. Oh wait, it was 'stupid whore cunt'....
From: azraeljenkins [BUTT NUGGET]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 09:13
and popo- I don't know what the cure is today for the HF spill (apparently it is not the hacksaw) but they actually needed to use the hacksaw because the HF will continue to spread up the arm doing all that crap you described...sort of like that scene in alien when the acid burns through 4 levels....imagine being thankful, that you were able to saw your arm off with a hacksaw in time. Yay, chemistry!
From: carltons [chris]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 09:17
ciaochowbella Ok! Consider it assault with a deadly finger. Whore cunt.
From: carltons [chris]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 09:19
By the way, I told you she was filthy cunt!
From: recurvebow
[traditional archer & aspiring biogeography professor]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 09:48
There's a reason why I left chemistry for biogeography/ecology. I remember another chemical that might do some interesting stuff upon contact. I don't remember the chemical formula or anything but it was some kind of organophosphate which messes with the nerves. I think it inhibits cholinesterase production in the body or something, but my knowledge of chemistry that isn't either biogeochemistry or geochemistry is a bit shaky. What school was this PhD student with the hacksaw and HF at? (Hopes it's not one that I've applied to!)
From: rockspin [Dopeman]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 10:03
^^^^ Organophosphates that mess with nerves are not so much "interesting" as they are very,very bad: VX Sarin Tabun Novichok For some reason the conversation about not wanting to have chemists mad at you reminds me of a story. Summary: Chemist gets mad at boss, and manages to put liquid mercury inside the fluorescent lights of his office. Lights turn on, heat, and make mercury vapor, progressively making his boss crazy over a short period. Boss thinks he's going nuts, and goes out to the country to get better. Comes back, goes crazy again, and convinced he is now Perma-crazy, shoots himself in the head. Chemist gets caught eventually. P.S: Is it mercury or arsenic or what that displaces the phosphorus in your body?
From: popo
[insert witticism]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 10:13
I'll bet it's arsenic, just that elemental mercury isn't too reactive in comparison; but that's just me. Organic mercury is fun stuff though: Methylmercury has a high affinity for sulfhydryl groups, which attributes to its effect on enzyme dysfunction. One enzyme that is inhibited is choline acetyl transferase, which is involved in the final step of acetylcholine production. This inhibition may lead to acetylcholine deficiency, contributing to the signs and symptoms of motor dysfunction. Here's Arsenic (yup- ATP -respiratory phosphorus) is affected: Trivalent inorganic arsenic inhibits pyruvate dehydrogenase by binding to the sulfhydryl groups of dihydrolipoamide. Consequently, conversion of pyruvate to acetyl coenzyme A (CoA) is decreased, citric acid cycle activity is decreased, and production of cellular ATP is decreased. Trivalent arsenic inhibits numerous other cellular enzymes through sulfhydryl group binding. Trivalent arsenic inhibits cellular glucose uptake, gluconeogenesis, fatty acid oxidation, and further production of acetyl CoA; it also blocks the production of glutathione, which prevents cellular oxidative damage. Effects of pentavalent inorganic arsenic occur partially because of its transformation to trivalent arsenic; toxicity proceeds as outlined above. More importantly, pentavalent arsenic resembles inorganic phosphate and substitutes for phosphate in glycolytic and cellular respiration pathways. High-energy phosphate bonds are not made, and uncoupling of oxidative phosphorylation occurs. For example, in the presence of pentavalent arsenic, adenosine diphosphate (ADP) forms ADP-arsenate instead of ATP; the high-energy phosphate bonds of ATP are lost.
From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 10:35
As the submitter of this story(sorry Auldu), let me point out something you all have over looked: He stated that he put olive oil on his hands. I'm quite sure that he did, & that protected him from whatever he put on his hands after the olive oil. It couldn't have been a solvent, because that would have leached through the olive oil.Maybe a powder? Popo's theory of Arsenic makes sense too, & now we know why it didn't poison him.
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 10:51
Carltons, with your sparkling personality, you should worry about every waitress, convenience store clerk and liquor store clerk you meet. I'd be willing to bet that you have been on the recieving end of a sneezer, snot burger, crack fries, or stinky finger more than once. It might be service with a smile, but it may also come with a side of effluvia. Happy eating, Carltons!
From: enigma [John]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 10:51
This damn ass stole my thunder. This was in my personal torture kit. How am I going to find one to replace it? There tough you know. Mine was better though, you wouldn't get sick until about the 48th hour, and no, you would not survive.
From: melvin69 [John Bong]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 10:52
You see, just because you confess to a crime doesn't mean they can convict you without corroborating(sp?) evidence. Don't get into trouble much, do you? Of course, confessing to a crime on the internet isn't enough, but a signed confession would be or saying it in front of a judge. I read somewhere that 20% of the people in jail are actually innocent and plead guilty because they were talked into it. They were convinced to take the lighter sentence in the plea bargain than to say not guilty and take the chance of a stiffer penalty.
From: enigma [John]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 11:02
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened] Date: 13-Jan-2006 06:49 WTF! I want some! "Any of the Rotten science geeks have any idea what he used?" I have got a general idea, since it is/was in my personal torture kit. But no I am not going to say, though I will give you a hint. It requires a chemical and some gloves to protect yourself. The gloves surgical, are reversed. They can not be seen. Enough said. Don't need people/kiddy's practicing this at home do we. Mine is fatal though, his is pussy shit.
From: azraeljenkins [BUTT NUGGET]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 11:16
enigma- Ricin? wow, you made a game this is fun.
From: lordpakul [Lord Pakul]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 11:17
WINK News [Great name] reports that Ridgeway is "questioning whether the three officials were sick at all. And he's accusing them of being out to get him because he took a traffic ticket to a jury trial." -- [winktv.com] My bet is on an organic toxin or insecticide in the vial and a barrier film of some kind applied earlier to his hand. But what do I know -- Where is CSI Lansing? 
From: wharfratdarling [wharfratdarling]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 11:29
Hrydroflouric acid is crazy. I used to work in a lab and had to deal with all sorts of chemicals. They gave us a seminar about how to properly handle hydroflouric acid. The teacher knocked over the container and he cleaned up what he saw but didn't realize that some of it went down his boot. I've never seen anything like it. I quit there shortly after that incident.
From: azraeljenkins [BUTT NUGGET]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 11:34
wharfratdarling you're going to have to do better than that....I want details, people details...and video or pictures if you have them.
From: cannibal
[No Fat Chicks]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 11:36
From: tucanscrew [three's more fun] Date: 13-Jan-2006 07:19 bella, all I can say is watch the movie "Mall Rats". The stink palm scene is a riot. You gotta love Kevin Smith. Would you like a chocolate covered pretzel? They're a bit melty, but damn are they good.  (I don't think I got that line exactly right but oh well.)
From: yuda
Date: 13-Jan-2006 11:46
Note to self: If he's packin' olive oil, it's probably not a good idea to ask for a reach-around.
From: wharfratdarling [wharfratdarling]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 11:46
No pic, no vid, just the horrible memory of seeing just about all the flesh on his foot eaten away from this chemical.
From: kakti [Bob]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 12:16
There is a possibility he used scopalamine to mess up the people. It has been used by a wide variety of criminal groups (including the CIA, etc), most recently in Columbia where criminals are drugging wealthy people with a handshake, and basically robbing them right in front of them. It, or hyoscyamine (both tropanes similar to atropine) are easily powerful enough to be transfered with a little dmso. This would explain the nausea, numbness and tingling too.
From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 13:28
From: conculcate [Matt Gies] Date: 13-Jan-2006 11:46 Intriguing story but I don't like your headline. Midas in reverse would touch gold and turn it into... something not gold. ----------------------------------------------------------------- It was my story, but not my headline. I agree that the headline is a bit of a puzzler. Mine was something like:"Shake Hands with the Devil". Rotten hardly ever uses my headlines, but since they do publish my stories, I am not complaining. Do they do that to everyone?
From: mikeisgreen
[Mike]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 13:53
It's well known that Olive Oyle is enough to make anyone sick.  BTW, yes, I'm back. Thanks for the love. I have been spending time with my mother. Unfortunately, she tried the Tylenol thing. Seems she doesn't like the idea of turning 73. She'll be OK. BLISS! We haven't heard from you since before Fat Man In A Red Suit Day! Thanks for remembering the Argyle! Here's your Christmas stocking, dear...(yes, I'm answering a post from a different thread... Sue me.) 
From: enigma [John]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 13:55
From: azraeljenkins [BUTT NUGGET] Date: 13-Jan-2006 11:16 enigma- Ricin? wow, you made a game this is fun. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hope I haven't put any thoughts that should not be there in your head. By the way I used to make shampoo's and conditioner's. Lot's of chemical's and acid's. There are many formula's, this man used one, and there have been plenty of viable suggestions. But I never tell trade secrets. It just wouldn't be fair would it? Conversation over dude. They'll be no more comment be me on this issue.
From: robwrigley
Date: 13-Jan-2006 14:04
Wow...I gotta catch up! ___________________________________________________________________ Ciao: That's gross. Really gross. A friend of mine...an adult, at least physically...has occasionally rubbed vocal microphone on his ass before putting them on the mic stand. Which, I guess, is funny when you are 13, and from Brooklyn... ____________________________________________________________________ Popo: "Trivalent inorganic arsenic inhibits pyruvate dehydrogenase by binding to the sulfhydryl groups of dihydrolipoamide..." You're just making words up, aren't you? ____________________________________________________________________ Mike: Sorry about you're mama. How's she doing? ____________________________________________________________________ Rob
From: issues
[got a subscription]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 14:15
Mike, I hope she will continue to do well. Too much tylenol is NOT a good thing. If you need a private nurse..e mail me! Oh and scopolamine will NOT give that particular set of side effects. It is a drying agent that sometimes makes you sleepy. This dude scares me, it makes you not want to shake anyones hand! Creepy! OMG! It Takes a Thief just came on! Sweet!
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 14:22
Rob, when faced with a raving asshole who believes that he has the right to verbally abuse you simply because you are standing behind the cash register, passive-aggression is always best. Besides, I may be an adult most of the time, but I refuse to be one all of the time. Plus, it was so damn satisfying to know that he would be, in essence, licking my ass crack. Childish, I know, but still really fucking satisfying.
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 15:27
Issues, I consider the hate of idiots to be a badge of honor. But thanks for the love! Mike, I am so sorry about your mom. I am sending you strength and blessings and hope for her speedy recovery.
From: spanker [Smoking Joe]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 15:31
I never shake hands except at work where it is necessary to be politically correct. Otherwise, when people extend their hand I hold mine up and say, "whoa, I don't know where that hand has been". Most people take it as a joke and laugh. Yeah, like I'm joking. NOT! There are just too many John Ridgeway type fucktards & perverts in this world.
From: tsentsen [tsentsen]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 15:51
All right...what I want to know tho is why component 'x' did not affect j ridgeway. ***During a Dec. 21 court appearance on a traffic charge, John Ridgeway pulled out a vial of an unknown liquid, rubbed his hands with the contents and insisted on shaking hands with the three people, authorities said.*** Ridgeway 'claims' it was olive oil as az pointed out. Is this going to be one of those things that later on has all of us slapping ourselves in the forehead saying "duh ~ oh yea!"?
From: robwrigley
Date: 13-Jan-2006 16:28
Ciao: "...I consider the hate of idiots to be a badge of honor..." I have a theory that gets tested on this Forum nearly everyday, and seems to hold true: "If bad people don't like you, it means you are doing something right." ________________________________________________________________________ And I have decided that the fellow in this article was using Iocane powder, which he and spent years building an immunity to. Rob
From: badweatherman [a hard rain's gonna cum]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 18:20
Now we just need an aerosol form and then pretend to sneeze in court and spray jury!
From: melvin69 [John Bong]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 18:38
They gave us a seminar about how to properly handle hydroflouric acid. The teacher knocked over the container and he cleaned up what he saw but didn't realize that some of it went down his boot. Nothing like a safety lesson in which the teacher can't even follow. Anytime an instructor can't follow safety procedure or screws up while giving the safety lecture, it's time to go. However, it might've been entertaining to stick around just to see what else would happen, just stand far away when the teacher handles the dangerous stuff. Plus, it was so damn satisfying to know that he would be, in essence, licking my ass crack. There's some men that would actually love this. I knew one guy that when saw a chick with a nice ass would say "I would suck a fart out of that ass." Funny thing is, he wouldn't eat pussy though.
From: melvin69 [John Bong]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 18:41
lordpakul, I thought of that movie as soon as I read what rob said. If they knew he poured something over his hands, why shake? I can guess they didn't actually see him pour the oil over his hands and that info came from a witness later but, don't ya think they would've noticed his hand being covered in oil?
From: oddser5050 [does the pass set up the run or does the run set up the pass?]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 19:10
Looks like Howie Mandel& Howard Stern were right about hand shaking.
From: mikeisgreen
[Mike]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 20:15
Thank you Rob, Issues, and Bella. She will be fine. She is almost 73 and blaming herself for all of her children's problems. It happens; It is normal; It is human. My Mum is currently reviewing her life, and preparing for the end of it. I think her biggest thing is the fact that my sister stuck her head between the railings on the back porch and broke her neck (years before I was conceived, I never knew her). My mom feels that this is her fault. I have reviewed this (with my harshest opinion on parents who neglect or otherwise harm their kids), and it was not her fault. Any mothers who are reading this know that even if it's not her fault, she will still keep all of the blame on her own shoulders.
From: mikeisgreen
[Mike]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 20:27
I'm sorry if anyone feels that I'm getting off-topic and all hugs-ish. I'm at that place right now and I have a right to speak my mind and my heart. That having been said, I have hijacked this thread and I have made personal statements; It happens to the best of us, and I will endeavour to keep it to a minimum.
From: tucanscrew
[three's more fun]
Date: 13-Jan-2006 21:46
I can't believe no one had a good answer for why didn't it affect the guy who put it on his hands. The other three were nasty mother fuckers who did not wash their hands. They ingested it. The perp on the other hand went straight to the men's room. I'm a little OCD about hand washing. The only time I refuse to wash my hands is after peeing in a bar. I've seen to many assholes piss in the sink. Bar patron 1: "My mother taught me to wash my hands after I use the bathroom" Bar patron 2: "That's funny, mine taught me not to piss on mine"
From: twdldee [twdldee]
Date: 14-Jan-2006 01:31
Would be interesting to see the cases in which these three were involved. And the judges and rulings. Personally I think that it's some sort of temporary psychosomatic neurotic delusion, sort of like a really bad guilt trip. Mind = body body = mind When you condition your body to accept injustice as justice, justice can be a real stinger. The more injustice, or the longer the prevalence of it, the more of a zinger, baybe. Personally, the dude should have just gone postal in a shopping mall or styrofoam cup manufacturing company. The dude should not have done that though because judges are by nature power hungry and don't like competition. I would definitely make an example of that guy. 6 years in medium security is long enough for the dude to assemble his own inner rectum full of parishioners. Fuck Jesus in the ass, it's what he wanted, anyway. oh, and the Chinese need a hacksaw in the lab because 1. they're not careful and/or 2. they're cowards.
From: melvin69 [John Bong]
Date: 14-Jan-2006 02:40
I wonder if we'll get a follow up story once they finish analyzing the contents of that vial. At least to see who is full of shit, the court personal or the guy being accused.
Updated: 19-Jan-2006 09:51
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