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911 is a joke
ABC News | Submitted by: ferret
"Their justification for withholding stuff is evolving."
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From: studgerbil
[Stud]
Date: 10-May-2008 03:09
I astonished. No, not that the 9-1-1 call was ignored. Not that the local cops and pols covered it up. But I am amazed that a local reporter actually made an effort ro uncover the truth, and that a jaded populace actually got riled enough by it to force the truth out. Obviously, there is a lot of work still left to be done to stop this nonsense on the part of the citizenry.
From: sharkman69 [Me]
Date: 10-May-2008 04:59
June of last year, while at an apartment complex in suburban Detroit, I saw a woman fall in the parking lot, hit her head on the pavement, and knocked unconcious. I called 911, and they put me on hold. They put me on fucking hold! I couldn't tell if the woman was alive or dead, and I'm sitting there on hold. Fortunately, I got to talk with someone, got an ambulance to come out, and she was okay. But I still can't get over being put on fucking hold for a medical emergency.
From: atomhartmother [yeah, m'kay]
Date: 10-May-2008 06:34
Shit happens. Really happens when a collection of brain surgeons gather. Bet that operater was hired to fill a racial quota. 15 or 20 years ago, a woman named Myrick cussed at a victim on 911 and the Dallas county DA stuck it to the bitch. Bet that won't happen now.
From: ferret [Honkey Kong]
Date: 10-May-2008 06:39
i'm sure officers would've responded, if not for their "Special" mission 
From: ferret [Honkey Kong]
Date: 10-May-2008 06:46
This Article Says She Lived 2 Blocks From A Crack House-and she was going to be a Doctor? http://www.thedailypage.com/isthmus/article.php?article=22485 
From: gargoyle1
Date: 10-May-2008 07:01
So the moral of the story is if someone is killing you, don't bother with 911 cuz they can't be arsed. Someone needs fired and sued shitless here. Prolly won't happen though.
From: blueballz420
[BlueBallz420]
Date: 10-May-2008 07:13
One time my friend was cooking and the grease exploded, got on my arm and hand, fucked him up good too. I called 911. After 20 minutes I had to call 911 again and then the paramedics came 20 minutes after that. I'm afraid what would've happened if someone got shot. I just thought that was normal cuz I live in Miami and people are really fuckin stupid here.
From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 10-May-2008 09:13
Instead of dialing 911, just dial the WH, and cuss Bush out good. I guarantee the SS will be there pronto!
From: hippityhopp
[bunny meat is good!]
Date: 10-May-2008 13:45
"Their justification for withholding stuff is evolving." **** Well at least now we know WHAT they're doing instead of sending help for the people who call. Covering your own ass is a full time job it seems...
From: drmstrspoodle
[Daremaster Spoodle]
Date: 10-May-2008 16:05
About six years ago when I still lived in Indiana I just so happened to look outside of my apartment's bedroom window when I witnessed a group of kids just beating the shit out of another teenage girl in the middle of a parking lot. I called 911 to tell them what was happening, and they basically said they would be on their way. By now the fight had devolved from a 10 on one brawl into a game of "beat the prone human pinata". It took the authorities a whopping 45 minutes to get there, at which time the assailants had already gone - but not before basically stomping the poor girl's head in. Thankfully the paramedics got there in time. A week later I heard a report in the local newspaper that someone living in a gated community nearby called 911 to report a burglary and the response time basically broke the county speed record. Appropriate title for the article, Duder!
From: omagoch [Bryan]
Date: 10-May-2008 16:18
Tis a shame. Anyone else see that she was "stabbed to death multiple times"? She died more than once!! She must be a beast.
From: sawgunner [Doug]
Date: 10-May-2008 18:47
A loaded revolver would have served her better than the charged cell phone. But wait, guns are evil! Yeah, she was better off with the cell phone.
From: fucktardmama [fook-me]
Date: 10-May-2008 20:03
The hole 911 system is fucked. It is fucked because of who they hire as operators. It is fucked because lame ass fucking retards use it for just about any question they can think of. When they have misuse of 911, they should start throwing the book at those people. Then maybe real emergencies wouldn't get put on hold and proper dispatching could be done.
From: fucktardmama [fook-me]
Date: 10-May-2008 20:30
Ha! Dam publick edukayshun. "Whole" not "hole".
From: rotteneggs13
[a bakers dozen]
Date: 10-May-2008 20:53
From: FTM <<When they have misuse of 911, they should start throwing the book at those people.>> They absolutely should, here are a couple linx to 911 abuse. They're funny but waste the dispatchers time. http://tinyurl.com/6s4n29 http://www.ugoto.com/video_outrageous-911-calls.html
From: morte266
[Old and Tired]
Date: 10-May-2008 21:07
Eggsy: Mind you I think the situation is fucked up... but She didn't lose her life because of the lack of a call back... she lost her life from multiple stab wounds... there is a very good chance that she would ahve died even if the response was instantaneous. the article did state that they do not send a response to cell phone hangups even if they can't get someone on a call back... my guess is because they probably don't have the E911 system there and can't pinpoint the call from a cell. Either way she was fucked.
From: rotteneggs13
[a bakers dozen]
Date: 10-May-2008 21:43
Morte I thought that too, with multiple stab wounds she was fucked either way. But according to the article there was a breach of protocol. And because of the ineptness of the 911 dispatcher to follow protocol, ANY chance (no matter how remote the chance) to save this young women's life was taken from her. But I also know that NO system is perfect so unfortunately this young lady died. With that being said the blame falls squarely on the sick-fuck who stabbed her thus causing her death. I also agree with Fucktardmama that people who call 911 for nonsense non-emergencies and other ridiculous shit should be prosecuted. It wastes the time of the dispatchers, EMTs, fire companies, & the police. I posted 2 linx about stupid calls to 911, the one link has the actual calls.
From: morte266
[Old and Tired]
Date: 10-May-2008 22:48
Eggsy: That was my point. "What a shame this young lady lost her life because of the ineptness of the idiots that work at 911." She did not lose her life because of their ineptness.. She lost any chance she had to survive (if she actually had a chance) because of one dispatcher's mistake. She lost her life because some psycho stabbed her multiple times.. it is a subtle but real difference. The fuck up and the 911 center might have contributed to her death.. might.. but then she could ahve been dead either way. During in-service one year we had to listen to a recording of a 911 call go bad. It happened before the E911 system was available. An old woman called 911 to report a man who knocked on her door because it just didn't feel right. She was in the process of trying to give her address when the dispatcher interrupted her and asked for the suspect's description. The woman start giving a description and was attacked.. the guy had snuck into the house. You could hear her screams as she was beaten, raped and killed.. but the dispatcher couldn't send anyone because she had know way of knowing where the attack was taking place. So the dispatcher had to sit their and listen to the results of her mistake. The old woman's body was found by her son a few hours later. Nobody can get it right every time. luckily when most of us fuckup it doesn't matter.. but it really sucks when that fuck up happens at a critical moment.
From: rotteneggs13
[a bakers dozen]
Date: 10-May-2008 23:29
From: Eggy <<What a shame this young lady lost her life because of the ineptness of the idiots that work at 911.>> <<But I also know that NO system is perfect so unfortunately this young lady died. With that being said the blame falls squarely on the sick-fuck who stabbed her thus causing her death.>> Yes Morte, in my first post I blamed 911's lack of response, (it was a knee-jerk reaction I suppose) if the EMTs were sent out she might of had a glimmer of hope of surviving. But then notice Morte who I'm blaming for her death; THE SICK FUCK THAT STABBED HER MULTIPLE TIMES. Also note that I commented on the fact that NO system is perfect. The dispatcher made a mistake due to their ineptness. Like it or not but there are idiots that work at 911. I don't know what the pay rate is, but from what I understand it isn't that great. So you're not going to get rocket scientists working there and 'you get what you pay for'. It's sux, but it does happen. There are fuck-ups in ALL fields. That story of the old lady is horrible. How humans can do such things to another human being is beyond my comprehension. It's sickening Morte. Truly sickening.
From: mcgyver [Steve]
Date: 11-May-2008 01:52
Hey does anyone know the phone number for 911? Its easy to remember in Australia cause our emergency number is 000. Easy because you sit there in pain going "Oh Oh Oh!"
From: patsystonecheers
[Patsy Stone]
Date: 11-May-2008 04:55
From: fucktardmama [fook-me] Date: 10-May-2008 20:03 The hole 911 system is fucked. It is fucked because of who they hire as operators. It is fucked because lame ass fucking retards use it for just about any question they can think of. When they have misuse of 911, they should start throwing the book at those people. Then maybe real emergencies wouldn't get put on hold and proper dispatching could be done. ------------------ When a call is put over for "Heart Attack", the sandwiches are dropped and the EMS is there in like 3 minutes. Second place goes for a "infant / child emergency". They are there in like 5 minutes. I've had to call the EMS to my home once for my infant. EMS was there in 5 minutes. I had just enough time to throw my shoes on and go. I do believe what fucks up the time schedule are the non-emergency calls. -- Some people have no idea what an emergency is. So they call for EMS for things like a broken wrist. A broken wrist is not an emergency. -- Some people do NOT think they should wait in the ER waiting room for a few hours for a non-emergency. They think calling EMS will get them right into the ER. -- Some people on Medicaid think "hey I'm not paying for it", why should I spend my money on cab fare", so they call EMS like it is their personal taxi service for even the most smallest non-emergency. Granted dispatchers are human and they fuck up just like everyone else. But if there are "X" number of Ambulances available, calls have to be filtered to see what is the "real" emergency.
From: fucktardmama [fook-me]
Date: 11-May-2008 08:59
From: patsystonecheers [Patsy Stone] Date: 11-May-2008 04:55 ------------------ When a call is put over for "Heart Attack", the sandwiches are dropped and the EMS is there in like 3 minutes. Second place goes for a "infant / child emergency". They are there in like 5 minutes. I've had to call the EMS to my home once for my infant. EMS was there in 5 minutes. I had just enough time to throw my shoes on and go. I do believe what fucks up the time schedule are the non-emergency calls. -- Some people have no idea what an emergency is. So they call for EMS for things like a broken wrist. A broken wrist is not an emergency. -- Some people do NOT think they should wait in the ER waiting room for a few hours for a non-emergency. They think calling EMS will get them right into the ER. -- Some people on Medicaid think "hey I'm not paying for it", why should I spend my money on cab fare", so they call EMS like it is their personal taxi service for even the most smallest non-emergency. Granted dispatchers are human and they fuck up just like everyone else. But if there are "X" number of Ambulances available, calls have to be filtered to see what is the "real" emergency. - - - - - - - - Patsy, I work in an emergency room. Believe you me I know how ignorant people are about what constitutes and "emergency". I have taken care of people who think not being able to sleep is an emergency. I have taken care of numerous parents who bring their child in in the middle of the night (and subsequently the other 4 of 5 siblings) because the "baby is crying, I think he has an ear infection". Now I don't know about you, I suffered horribly as a young'en from ear infections, my parents would never even have thought to take me to an emergency room. Both my children suffered from ear infections, never dawned on me that "oh we should go to the emergency room". Some people call the amb'lance for a cut that need stitches. Some call the am'blance because grandma "ain't be well for a couple of days". Do they call her doctor? No they come right to the emergency room. My last shift I had two girls who were pregnant, one was 20 the other 19. They came in because "I don't feel right". No fever, no nausea, no cramping, no spotting, no nothing. While I was tending to them a guy came in who had been in a bad car accident. I could barely get to him and guess why? Because of the two girls who could have managed their issues through their OB/GYN. This guy was pretty badly injured. Pissed me the fuck right off. Most people who come to the emergency room have no clue what a real emergency is. The two Emergency Departs I have experience in, we now put people who come in by ambulance in the waiting room (unless it is a true emergency). One boy called because he had stepped on a nail. He was mad he had to wait two hours before he was seen. He was yelling "I had to call an ambulance". This lady and gentlemen is the future of America.
From: patsystonecheers
[Patsy Stone]
Date: 11-May-2008 09:35
Mama, You are right. One time while I was in the pediatric ER with my kid, the bed next to me had a little girl who complained of headaches. Yes, mom took the girl to the ER for a headache. No fall, no bruises, no accident or intentional anything. As the Resident was trying to figure out what was wrong with the girl, mom was backing up to leave the ER. Why? To go outside for a smoke. The Resident grabbed her arm and said "you are not leaving your daughter unattended!" Turns out, mom chain-smokes all around the kid, the tv is always blasting next to the kid's bed, and the parents just separated (apartment was full of yelling and screaming 24/7). There was the root of the girl's headaches. Prescription: Children's Tylenol, put out the cigarette, turn off the TV, and STFU mom. Yes. An ER bed was WASTED for a headache.
From: fucktardmama [fook-me]
Date: 11-May-2008 10:56
From: patsystonecheers [Patsy Stone] Date: 11-May-2008 09:46 Unfortunately the public has turned the ER into a walk-in minor treat-and-release establishment - - - - - - - - Oh yeah it has big time. A couple of things would cure that post haste though. First and foremost, we need to give doctors (and specially trained nurses) the right to turn people away at triage. Oh earache? Buh bye, call your doc in the morning. Oh a sunburn (yes I have triaged adults who have come to the ED for sunburns) buh bye, call your doctor in the morning. And then we need to protect those who are trained from being sued, knowing that some will slip through the cracks (like they do with 911 calls). Mostly the people who will slip through the cracks are the ones who are very vague about their symptoms and never follow up. The other thing that would cure it is no more free visits for medicaid/medicare people. Make them pay a huge co pay, just like the rest of us. I have suggested at both Emergency rooms I have worked at that we create a pamphlet to pass out to people who have misused the emergency department. Something that says along the lines: "Your visit was not an emergency. These are the criteria of an emergency: Please before future visits, contact your primary care provider before coming to the emergency room". I was told it could not be done. When I asked why, no one could say anything other than "well we can't keep people out of the emergency room". I'm not for keeping people out, but I am for education and I am for thinning the ridiculousness that comes through the doors. I always love the people who look for affirmation that they were "right" to come to the emergency room. Sometimes I want to scream "fuck no you fucking retard. you just tied me up, tied up the doctor, and tied up a bed because you have no fucking common sense".
From: ferret [Honkey Kong]
Date: 11-May-2008 13:03
Yes. About the size of a CellPhone, it has a 1 button speed dial, instantaneous emergency response.  Perhaps we would be reading one of those "Tables Get Turned On Home Invader" articles we all love, rather than this Atrocity.
From: ciaochowbella
[I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 11-May-2008 13:52
From: patsystonecheers [Patsy Stone] Date: 11-May-2008 09:46 Unfortunately the public has turned the ER into a walk-in minor treat-and-release establishment. ------------------------------ Because it is almost impossible for most people to get health insurance. I agree that an ER shouldn't be used for certain ailments and conditions, but if your only access to health care is the ER, you use it. Our country has enough money to wage useless wars for oil we don't need, but we don't have the funds to keep our citizens healthy. Nice priorities.
From: patsystonecheers
[Patsy Stone]
Date: 11-May-2008 13:56
About 10 years ago, my next door neighbor was cutting a vegatable and dropped the paring knife right in the spot of the base of the big toe nail and the cuticle. For the moment it was bleeding alot so miss girly girl banged on my door begging me to take her to the ER because she was "stabbed". Only since I had not started to drink my first cocktail because I just got home from work did I take her to the ER. You know those girly girl types, she can't even hit a whiffle ball let alone fast-pitch softball. So I figure I can knock some points off my going to hell card by helping her. Once in the ER, we went into Triage. By then all bleeding stopped. The nurse said that the doctor might not even sew it up. She insisted on seeing the ER doctor. So I waited with her. 4 hours later I told her I had to go, she did not see the doctor until 2 hours after I left. Before I left her there, the panic wore off her and was replaced by bitchy. "Why why won't the doctor see me? I've been waiting hours?" The nurse told her that anyone going before her is a real emergency (like getting really stabbed). So she wasted time and waited. The doctor did not put one stitch on her toe, just a piece of gauze and bandaid. I have bled more by nicking my legs shaving in the shower than she bled with her hahaha "stab" wound. I still remember this huge waste of my time because etiquette dictates that I should have been given at least a small gift basket from "The Body Shop" or something as a "thank you". Maybe a couple pink grapefruit scented soaps and body wash and one of those loofah sponges? No. I got nothing. Not even a spoken "thank you". The moral of this story is that even if you tell people that they don't need to go to the ER, they won't listen because they feel you are not paying attention to them. ps. I am not related to sirbutlust in any way, shape or form. 
From: patsystonecheers
[Patsy Stone]
Date: 11-May-2008 13:58
ps. Bella, this girl had insurance and worked for a large advertising agency. With her, I think it was a head-thing like if the ER didn't treat her, then no one cared for her or some shit like that...
From: kuzzy
[Kuzzy]
Date: 11-May-2008 17:07
Patsy why didnt ya just double up on the cocktails and share with yer neighbor? That would have taken miss prissys mind off of her troubles. Win, win situation for everyone
From: fucktardmama [fook-me]
Date: 11-May-2008 17:55
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened] Date: 11-May-2008 13:52 From: patsystonecheers [Patsy Stone] Date: 11-May-2008 09:46 Unfortunately the public has turned the ER into a walk-in minor treat-and-release establishment. ------------------------------ Because it is almost impossible for most people to get health insurance. I agree that an ER shouldn't be used for certain ailments and conditions, but if your only access to health care is the ER, you use it. Our country has enough money to wage useless wars for oil we don't need, but we don't have the funds to keep our citizens healthy. Nice priorities - - - - - - -- - Bella, Which portion of our population does not have health care coverage? AND The people who are abusing the emergency department are the stupid people who have no common sense. Being insured or not insured does not seem to be the issue. We have the funds/means to keep our citizens healthy. A lot choose to ignore that which they is needed for health. Think about it. Is it any secret that smoking is bad for you? Yet how many people continue to smoke and thus need more health care than those of us who don't smoke. Are they denied the care? No they are not. How many people get behind the wheel of their car after drinking and kill or greviously injure other people? Is anyone in said equation denied health care? No they are not. Citizens in this country have the ways/means to stay healthy. No one is denied health care, regardless of how many of their problems are self inflicted. The emergency room is still abused.
From: ciaochowbella
[I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 11-May-2008 20:50
FTM, over 46 million Americans(roughly 17%) have no health insurance of any kind . I would hazard a guess that most of those who use the ER as a doctor's office for non-emergent care have little or no health insurance. Contrary to popular belief, not every American has access to preventative medicine or has insurance so they can go to a doctor or clinic. The reason many folks go to the ER is because they know they won't be turned away. BTW, a broken arm IS an emergency. So is a screaming child to a new mother. And the numbers of Americans without insurance is growing..... http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS15591+29-Jan-2008+PRN20080129 Sure, people can do lots of things to better their health, but you and I both know they won't and you should thank your stars they don't. If Americans were healthier, I would imagine that many health care providers would be out of jobs....perhaps even you. I hope I never come across your callous, cold-hearted, elitist self in an ER. You seem to lack the most basic quality required of a nurse or doctor.....compassion.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 11-May-2008 22:58
I'm one of those 46 million, and I'm glad I don't buy health insurance. ... Contrary to popular belief, not every American has access to preventative medicine or has insurance so they can go to a doctor or clinic. The reason many folks go to the ER is because they know they won't be turned away.... Everyone has access to all they care they want. They can't all afford it, and those who can, often neglect to fit it into their budgets without their employer or the government doing it for them.
From: dontspeak
[while DS is talking]
Date: 11-May-2008 23:10
Although I don't think anyone should be denied health care, there ARE some alternatives to the ER, if you have no insurance. - Free clinics are out there. Maybe less than desirable, but they DO exist and are usually better than having to end up in the ER with a huge hospital bill you can't pay and the hospital ends ups eating anyway, thus jacking up the cost of medical care even more for everyone else. - Many urgent care clinics provide services at a sliding scale. - And if you have a regular primary physician, explain to them you have no insurance. Many will reduce their rates and give you free samples in lieu of you having to pay full price for a prescription. I had no insurance for a spell about 6 years ago, then I got a nasty bladder and sinus infection at the same time. I thought I was going to have go to the ER. I explained to my doctor my situation. I ended up paying only $45 for my visit, got my meds for free, and was fine within days. Pretty much everyone I have told this to who had no insurance for one reason or another was able to do this. You'd be surprised how many free samples from pharmaceutical companies doctors have wasting away in their cabinets. Just ask, if you are truly in a bind.
From: other [unclassified]
Date: 12-May-2008 02:28
I hope the thick Indian accent is not a problem, and the satellite connection is clear.
From: mcgyver [Steve]
Date: 12-May-2008 05:10
"Hey does anyone know the phone number for 911? Its easy to remember in Australia cause our emergency number is 000. Easy because you sit there in pain going "Oh Oh Oh!"" --------------------------------------------- " Steve... you are joking right? I really really hope so. " --------------------------------------------- Yes I was joking about the 911. I just reworked an old one liner I heard in a movie. The bit about Australia's emergency number is true. And the emergency service response is so fucked up, if you are lucky you might only sit there going "Oh, Oh, Oh" for about an hour or two waiting for the Ambulance.
From: red [red]
Date: 12-May-2008 05:32
The girl next door when I was in college wanted me to take her to ER one very late Sunday night. I waited there until dawn when they released her. She took me to breakfast, then home, then she peeled her top off and blew me. Overall I enjoyed the experience. It's nice to be appreciated.
From: kuzzy
[Kuzzy]
Date: 12-May-2008 06:06
From: red [red] Date: 12-May-2008 05:32 The girl next door when I was in college wanted me to take her to ER one very late Sunday night. I waited there until dawn when they released her. She took me to breakfast, then home, then she peeled her top off and blew me. Overall I enjoyed the experience. It's nice to be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Of course the bad news is the reason she needed to go to the ER in the first place was her herpes was acting up again. Stop reading the Penthouse forums.
From: patsystonecheers
[Patsy Stone]
Date: 12-May-2008 06:32
This thread has gone off track. It is not about insured vs. non-insured. The subject is the ER. In NY State everyone is insured. We have Medicaid, NY Health Plus, NY Family Health Plus, and NY Child Health Plus, and private insurance. http://www.healthplus-ny.org/en/7224_ENG_HTML.html# http://www.nyhealth.gov/nysdoh/chplus/ http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/fhplus/ In NY, if you have no income, you are on Medicaid. If you have a minimum income (you don't even have to be a citizen) you are on Health Plus. If you are working with salary you have private insurance. Everyone in NYS is covered. EVERYONE. That being said let's get back to the ER. There will never be a shortage of emergencies. Children will continue to get hit by cars, knocked out playing baseball, go under the kitchen sink cabinet and getting into the cleaning products. Adults will get stabbed and shot and get into car accidents. They will continue to over dose. They will continue to smoke while setting their hair-do with hairspray. There are things that are emergencies. Always were, always are, and always will be. There are some things that are not emergencies. Never were, never are, and never will be. Why is it okay to turn the ER into a free-for-all? That is not the purpose of the ER. That is not the reason we have doctors and nurses trained in this high adrenaline field. Why do we have to dumb ourselves down? The more people use the ER as a treat-n-release center, the more time real emergencies will have to wait. It doesn't seem real emergencies are on the decrease. Why does anyone think it is okay to add non-emergencies to the ER? e·mer·gen·cy - [i-mur-juhn-see] - noun, plural -cies, adjective –noun 1. a sudden, urgent, usually unexpected occurrence or occasion requiring immediate action.
From: fucktardmama [fook-me]
Date: 12-May-2008 07:05
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened] Date: 11-May-2008 20:50 FTM, over 46 million Americans(roughly 17%) have no health insurance of any kind . I would hazard a guess that most of those who use the ER as a doctor's office for non-emergent care have little or no health insurance. Contrary to popular belief, not every American has access to preventative medicine or has insurance so they can go to a doctor or clinic. The reason many folks go to the ER is because they know they won't be turned away. BTW, a broken arm IS an emergency. So is a screaming child to a new mother. And the numbers of Americans without insurance is growing..... http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS15591+29-Jan-2008+PRN20080129 Sure, people can do lots of things to better their health, but you and I both know they won't and you should thank your stars they don't. If Americans were healthier, I would imagine that many health care providers would be out of jobs....perhaps even you. I hope I never come across your callous, cold-hearted, elitist self in an ER. You seem to lack the most basic quality required of a nurse or doctor.....compassion - - - - - Bella, 46 million people 17%? Really, in the whole scheme of things, that number is small. And hazzard all the guesses you want, all kinds of people abuse the emergency room. Both the insured and uninsured. Sometimes broken arms are emergencies, a lot of times they are not. And I am not the one who said they are not. A crying child is not always an emergency even to a new mother. Maybe to a mother who has no common sense. But most babies cry and son of a gun a lot of babies scream. As far as my callous cold heart, well ok fine. Is that why I am the one where I work who gets the most letters of praise? Would I get them if my heart were truly cold and callous? No I would not. I am sorry that my facts and epxerience scare you and/or make you so defensive. Maybe you need to look at your use of the emergency room? Maybe you are abusing it? Maybe you are one who has no common sense and does not know what constitutes an emergency? Patsy posted what "emergency" means and what the emergency room is really for. Maybe you should read it, memorize it, and think about next time before you go trouncing off for you non emergency room visit.
From: rectalfissure
[Yea I am an Asshole so what?]
Date: 12-May-2008 07:20
Patsy you FTM and DS have hit right on the nose if people would exercise just a small bit of sense then the ERS would be less jammed up of course that is a lot like holding back the wind with your bare hands Bravo to all three of you!!
From: ciaochowbella
[I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 12-May-2008 08:39
FTM, I only use the ER for emergencies....broken bones, stitches, head injuries, one spectacular fall down a flight of stairs that left me numb from the waist down for two days, and projectile vomiting that won't stop. Once I had to have a spider bite cut out on a Saturday.....didn't realize it was a spider bite until late Friday night. BTW, 17% of the population is almost one in six.....a rather considerable number when broken down that way. And while I do agree that some people use the ER for the wrong things, I do have a simple solution. Incorporate a treat and release clinic into the ER. This way the true emergencies can be treated with all due haste and the non-emergent cases also given the care they are needed. You may be more compassionate in person and merely using this forum to vent. I sincerely hope so, but if you aren't, woe be unto the patient in your tender care.......
From: dontspeak
[while DS is talking]
Date: 12-May-2008 09:04
From: patsystonecheers [Patsy Stone] Date: 12-May-2008 06:32 This thread has gone off track. It is not about insured vs. non-insured. The subject is the ER. ---------------- Didn't the thread already go off track? I thought the original subject had to do with the 911 system. I was merely trying to dispense helpful advice when the thread segued into the misuse of the ER, and letting others know there are alternatives out there.
From: patsystonecheers
[Patsy Stone]
Date: 12-May-2008 09:27
<<Sometimes broken arms are emergencies, a lot of times they are not. And I am not the one who said they are not. >> I'm the one who said "-- Some people have no idea what an emergency is. So they call for EMS for things like a broken wrist. A broken wrist is not an emergency. " I don't think an ambulance should be called for a broken wrist.
From: absintheredux
[Green Death]
Date: 12-May-2008 11:05
"I don't think an ambulance should be called for a broken wrist. " ____________________________________________ Not even if it is compound fracture? Even if it is not, I have seen people go into shock at the sight of a limb jutting at an unusual angle. In my opinion, it's a case by case decision, as the actual physical trauma is not always indicative of the total condition of the patient. The circumstances under which the trauma occurred can often determine the need for an ambulance.
From: fucktardmama [fook-me]
Date: 12-May-2008 12:23
BTW, 17% of the population is almost one in six.....a rather considerable number when broken down that way. And while I do agree that some people use the ER for the wrong things, I do have a simple solution. Incorporate a treat and release clinic into the ER. This way the true emergencies can be treated with all due haste and the non-emergent cases also given the care they are needed. You may be more compassionate in person and merely using this forum to vent. I sincerely hope so, but if you aren't, woe be unto the patient in your tender care....... - - - - - - - - Bella this is rotten.com Of course it is a place to vent. And ok almost 1 in 6 without health care. Are any of those 1 in six denied care? And why is their health insurance status a reason on whether or not someone chooses an emergency room over a clinic or private physician? You will still get a bill whether you go to the emergency room or to a clinic or to a private physician. I mean really, if they want/need health care they are not denied. They might have to pay for it out of their own pocket. All hospitals have sliding scale fees and most doctors office will work out a payment plan. The two ED's I have experience in have what are called "fast track" or "urgent care" pieces to them. People meeting certain criteria are triaged to those areas (like your stitches, some fractures, but not compound, and some head injuries, but not the dance you did down the stairs). At this time they are still billed as emergency room visits. And a ton of people who use the ambulance get triaged to treat and release/urgent care/fast track. Personally I don't think treat and release or fast tracks should be an entity of an emergency room. They still bog down emergency room doctors, nurse practioners (or physician assitants, and the nurses). They should be free standing clinics that EMS is allowed to take patients to.
From: patsystonecheers
[Patsy Stone]
Date: 12-May-2008 14:11
From: absintheredux [Green Death] Date: 12-May-2008 11:05 "I don't think an ambulance should be called for a broken wrist. " ____________________________________________ Not even if it is compound fracture? Even if it is not, I have seen people go into shock at the sight of a limb jutting at an unusual angle. In my opinion, it's a case by case decision, as the actual physical trauma is not always indicative of the total condition of the patient. The circumstances under which the trauma occurred can often determine the need for an ambulance. --------------------------------------------- Is the broken wrist just part of a larger injury of say, falling down stairs or being beat up by an abuser? If so, then you also have to worry about head injury, internal injuries, etc. I was just speaking of a targeted broken wrist with no other injuries. My scenario was a person playing "horsey" with kids and while their palm is on the floor, a kid jumps on the persons back and their wrist gives out. Granted, there are people who can't "tough it out" and call car service to take them to the ER so they call EMS. But while the only available EMS in the area is responding to a broken wrist, there could be someone also needing EMS who is having a seizure and thus has a longer response time. I just look at it like this: If I can get myself into a car and have a neighbor or friend drive me to the ER (or take car service), then the injury doesn't warrant EMS. I think there are people confusing the need for EMS for the need of ER. There is a big difference between needing ER services and needing EMS services. If this accident happened in the middle of the night, then go to the ER but I really feel EMS should be for those who are in a life-or-death situation. Cardiac Arrest, Seizure, Respiratory failure, major blood loss, etc.
Updated: 12-May-2008 20:56
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