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Head Smashed Against Wall
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"A former prison guard charged in the death of an inmate whose head was slammed against a wall pleaded no contest to manslaughter and was given the minimum sentence by a jury that said it would have acquitted him."
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From: studgerbil
[Stud]
Date: 12-May-2008 14:29
This is where I would normally blast the officer's actions, but face it, some people NEED to have their heads slammed against a wall.
From: other [unclassified]
Date: 12-May-2008 14:36
It's prison. Beating is part of keeping order.
From: gargoyle1
Date: 12-May-2008 14:46
While the shitstain prolly deserved the head slamming, only giving the guard probation is a tad light on the sentence. If the prisoner had bashed the guard, he'd get the death penalty, possibly instantly.
From: morte266
[Old and Tired]
Date: 12-May-2008 15:07
The guard should ahve gotten off completely. A kick to the groin is considered deadly force.. the guard responded with deadly force... it is at the same level on the use of force continuum thus justified. Deadly force is defined as force likely to cause death or serious bodily injury.. and a ruptured nut falls under serious bodily injury. More to the point, the prisoner kicked the officer in the balls witht he intent to injure him. Mind you the guard probably didn't mean to kill him.. shit happens.. if you don't want your brains smeared on a concrete wall don't kick the guard in the nuts. Sounds very reasonable to me.
From: sp00k
Date: 12-May-2008 16:23
"There was definitely a strong feeling among the jury that we shouldn't even be messing with this case because the community is very pro-prison," said Alice Gregg of the state's special prison prosecution unit in Lampasas. ===== I would say so. Probation for killing a guy. And the jury thought even that was too much.
From: roaddog [pclynn]
Date: 12-May-2008 16:32
I have NO LOVE for cops or others who want to be but I will agree this time that the head crackin for a nut crackin was fair. The convict had too soft a skull, kindofa rubber head.
From: tat2dchick
[The Tattooed Lady]
Date: 12-May-2008 17:08
Hmm, here's a thought. If prisons were made less pleasant, ie. no TV, threat of regular beatings, no protective custody for molestards and such, perhaps, just PERHAPS it would equate more incentive for people to obey the law to stay the fuck out of prison? Maybe? Just a thought...
From: opiliones [harvestmen]
Date: 12-May-2008 17:34
From: gargoyle1 While the shitstain prolly deserved the head slamming, only giving the guard probation is a tad light on the sentence. If the prisoner had bashed the guard, he'd get the death penalty, possibly instantly. If by instantly you meant within 3 days, you nailed it.
From: crapola
[Quit_Bitchin]
Date: 12-May-2008 17:39
From: tat2dchick [The Tattooed Lady] Date: 12-May-2008 17:08 Hmm, here's a thought. If prisons were made less pleasant, ie. no TV, threat of regular beatings, no protective custody for molestards and such, perhaps, just PERHAPS it would equate more incentive for people to obey the law to stay the fuck out of prison? Maybe? Just a thought... ### Won't happen. But, until then, there's always:  Head Smashing.  Sweet.
From: sawgunner [Doug]
Date: 12-May-2008 17:46
Eye for an eye. Convict tries to smash little head, guard tries to smash big head. Guard won.
From: ciaochowbella
[I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 12-May-2008 18:32
Morte, of course you'd defend his actions. The prisoner in question was serving 10 years for burglary, not something violent, and we only have the guards story to go by. Seems to be that head smashing is a bit much for an ATTEMPTED groin kick.....not an actual foot to the nut. Hey, can I smash your head into a wall if you attempt to take a swipe at me? I'd be thrilled beyond reason to crack your egg......
From: sawgunner [Doug]
Date: 12-May-2008 20:26
I see Bella is back. I guess that with the first of the month the welfare check arrived so the power is back on in the trailer.
From: absintheredux
[Green Death]
Date: 12-May-2008 20:55
From: sawgunner [Doug] Date: 12-May-2008 20:26 I see Bella is back. I guess that with the first of the month the welfare check arrived so the power is back on in the trailer. _________________________________ Don't be an ass; she has more wealth than you probably ever have seen. Insults are only effective if based on some truth. Else they make the insulter sound stupid.
From: morte266
[Old and Tired]
Date: 12-May-2008 23:13
Bella. Might help if you read the article. It didn't say attempted to kick him in the groin.. it doesn't say attempted anywhere in the article. Attempted is an input into the article by your imagination. Now the guard could be lying about the alleged attack. In which case he could ahve been in the wrong. But as the defendant he doesn't have to prove the guy kicked him in the groin... he just has to show reasonable doubt in the prosecution's case. A kick to the groin is considered deadly force.. the guard responded to a deadly force attack... the inmate died. Shit happens. Now of the guard had repeatedly smashed his head into the wall... but the article never even insinuated repeatedly. Or if the guard smashed his head in the wall in response to a less than deadly force attack... Or if the guard smashed his head into the wall without provocation... Then the guard would be in the wrong... but responding to a deadly force attack with deadly force is reasonable. "Rodriguez was accused of slamming 52-year-old Paul Ray Judia's head into a cell wall at the Formby Unit in November after the handcuffed inmate allegedly kicked him in the groin. Judia died at a hospital three days after the incident." "al·leged Audio Help (ə-lìjd', ə-lìj'ĭd) Pronunciation Key adj. Represented as existing or as being as described but not so proved; supposed. "
From: sawgunner [Doug]
Date: 13-May-2008 07:19
she has more wealth than you probably ever have seen. ******* Well, don't bet too much on that statement GD. First, you know nothing about my level of wealth, and second, you likely know nothing about hers. And Bella, your retarded opinions provide a fine indication as to the quality of your IQ. And no, I can't say I pay too much attention to you other than to repay you for the insults you like to toss my way just because I dislike obese trailer trash.
From: absintheredux
[Green Death]
Date: 13-May-2008 08:10
"Well, don't bet too much on that statement GD. First, you know nothing about my level of wealth, and second, you likely know nothing about hers". _____________________________________ Sawgunner, I agree I know nothing about yours, but I know much more than a little about hers. If yours matches it, you're to be congratulated. As I said, insults are only effective if there is some truth to them. You're barking up the wrong tree and sounding silly.
From: ciaochowbella
[I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 13-May-2008 08:17
Morte, you defend this brutal and wholly unnecessary action by stating a groin kick is "deadly force". No one has ever died from a blow to the nads. Also, we have only the guards version of events, no tape. What did the guard do BEFORE the alleged groin kick. Most people, prisoners included, do not act without provocation. If the guard had enough wits about him to slam someone's head into a wall, chances are the supposed groin kick wasn't that at all. And one last note, if the officer in question was so justified in his actions, why did he plead no contest and take the punishment? Was it guilt? Or fear of being found guilty and placed in the same prison as the men he used to guard. ******************* Sawgunner, insults hurled from a man with no integrity, no intelligence and sporting a superior government-financed brain-washing are insignificant. When you prate and blather on about this, that and the other, I merely consider the source.....a sad, pathetic shell of a boy disguised as a man in some borrowed glory trying his level best to excuse the inexcusable and defend the indefensible who didn't have the resources or natural animal intelligence for trade school, much less college. Go rape a villager....or a captive. It is what bullies of your ilk do best.
From: sp00k
Date: 13-May-2008 08:25
I wonder how many times the guard had to bash this pricks head against the wall to kill him?
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 13-May-2008 12:32
Bella, how many years have you spent trolling Morte, and trying, unsuccessfully, to goad him into a fight? It just ain't gonna happen.
From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 13-May-2008 15:34
Come on people, prisons are no more of any kind of a deterrant, than is the death penalty. No crook ever thinks that getting caught is an option. What prisons do is take the bad guys out of circulation, for a period of time. Since 80% of convicts eventually end up back in jail, so much for rehab... Perhaps if prisons were not such shit holes, some convicts might not turn into hardened criminals... The US has more of it's people in jail, proportional to the population, than any other country in the world. Have we conquered crime? Are there fewer murders? Rapes? Serial Killers? So exactly what is the result of spending huge sums of money to incarcerate petty crooks? Legalize drugs...empty the prisons...save tons of money.
From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 13-May-2008 16:49
Quote:"That's only the drug offenders. The guy in this story, was in for burglary." =-=-=-=-= Auldu, I don't know about the specifics of the guy in question, but I do know for a fact that about half of all burglaries are committed by junkies, looking for money to support their habits. If the US went to the British system, crime would drop, and our jails would be half empty as well.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 13-May-2008 16:54
And you know I wasn't talking about the drug portion of your post. I was referring to "Perhaps if prisons were not such shit holes, some convicts might not turn into hardened criminals."
From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 13-May-2008 17:31
Quote:"And you know I wasn't talking about the drug portion of your post. I was referring to "Perhaps if prisons were not such shit holes, some convicts might not turn into hardened criminals." =-=-=-=-= Yup, just look at how great ex cons are doing, after spending time in our prisons. Only 80% go back for more, great, just great. Obviously shit hole prisons are not a good rehab solution, but they do make great trainning grounds. Kind of like Iraq makes a great trainning ground for AQ. all the better to attack us, at home, & abroad.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 13-May-2008 18:47
...Yup, just look at how great ex cons are doing, after spending time in our prisons. Only 80% go back for more, great, just great.... And you think that not punishing them will stop crime?
From: azdollarbill [Jim Jones]
Date: 13-May-2008 20:45
Quote:"...Yup, just look at how great ex cons are doing, after spending time in our prisons. Only 80% go back for more, great, just great.... And you think that not punishing them will stop crime?" =-=-=-=-=-=-= IMO, being imprisoned is ample punishment. Adding to their misery serves no useful purpose, other than to further alienate them. Same like Iraq, the more we liberate the Iraqis from their miserable lives, the more insurgents we create.
From: absintheredux
[Green Death]
Date: 13-May-2008 21:03
Taking no action is obviously no answer. Bad solution. Taking action which results in a high percentage of failure and "returns" or "reworks" would not be tolerated in a business. The board would be fired by the stockholders. If neither of two alternatives are workable, it behooves the management to find a third one. Keeping on repeating the same actions and expecting different results is a mark of stupidity. The correction system as it stands is a financial drain, has become a bloated industry, and functions as a graduate course in criminal behaviors. But nothing will be done so long as we support the status quo; time for some creative thinking or fire the management.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 13-May-2008 21:33
...IMO, being imprisoned is ample punishment... Which is why you're not a criminal. It deters you. A rough prison deters a few more people. You'd be surprised at how many people go to jail on purpose. In the north it's not uncommon for the homeless to get caught doing 90 day crimes, so they'll sleep indoors for the winter. In the UP we actually had a guy turn himself in as the recent escapee, only to reveal his real identity, and be released in the spring. A lot of my friends that I grew with, look at a 3-5 year sentence like it's nothing. Most our prisoners are in low security housing, and they don't have many problems, if they play by the rules. Rapes and assaults are nearly unheard of, unless someone is trying to get bumped to a higher security level. The higher security prisons have the real bastards. This is where you have to watch your ass but few pot heads. But you gotta fuck up to be there. The level 5's are mostly segregated from other inmates. Any trouble you find there, you brought on yourself.
From: morte266
[Old and Tired]
Date: 13-May-2008 21:57
Actually, Bella, I didn't defend his actions... I only said he should ahve gotten off completely. That has nothing to do with my personal opinion of this guy or his actions. The standard is guilty beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt. From what the article showed there is a reasonable shadow of a doubt. So he should ahve gotten off. It took a little bit of searching but I pulled this from another article.. "Warden David Cole said the incident happened during a major use of force. This happened after witnesses say Judia kicked Rodriguez." So, there were witnesses... probably other guards.. who testified that they saw the kick. No contradicting witnesses... reasonable shadow of a doubt... next. There is no where in this thread where I gave a personal opinion on the actions of this guard. If he was responding to a deadly force attack... and at this point there is nothing to show that he wasn't... then he was justified in responding with deadly force. I can't give a personal view on this guy's actions because there just isn't enough in the article to show what happened there... it is very sketchy information. As for why he plead? That one is easy. You have a charge of Murder hanging over your head and they offer you a plea of manslaughter with maybe a year or two in prison instead of a lifetime. It would be very tempting to take the easy road out. I do want to point out though that he did not plead Guilty.. he plead no contest... he never once admitted to doing wrong.. he just admitted that he didn't think he'd win if he fought.
From: wulfgarthewhite [Black to White]
Date: 14-May-2008 11:05
Bella, Mote will NEVER admit that any badge ever did anything wrong or illegal. It's part of his religion, a tenet of his faith. Reason, facts and rationality will not - cannot - cause him to say otherwise. He is a True Believer. We who have less faith will never be safe from his kind till they die.
From: ne14a6t9 [ne14a6t9]
Date: 15-May-2008 03:48
what, just because someone is in prison it means they can have their heads smashed into a wall or whatever the guards want to do? BULLSHIT!!! That's one of the biggest problems of today, just because someone is a uniform, they are automatically right. Don't believe me, just ask the NYPD!!!!
From: xenotactics
[Xeno Tactics]
Date: 18-May-2008 07:06
"This community is very pro-prison"? Oh yeah, that's a good reason to give someone probation for what amounts to second degree murder. If the community prides itself on being pro-prison (which I can't easily understand), then put the guard in prison. That would follow the "local logic" more consistently.
Updated: 18-May-2008 07:06
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