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Pig Head tossed into Mosque
WCSH-6 | Submitted by: anonymous
"Islamic civil liberties group is decrying an episode in Lewiston in which a man threw a pig's head into a mosque."
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From: powerslave [power slave]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 17:03
Wow! I wish the ragheads would condemn videos where innocents get their heads sawed off as strongly as they are condemning this.
From: powerslave [power slave]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 17:17
Of course when the ragheads desecrated several ancient and holy churches in Bethlehem and other parts of Palestine, no one at CAIR had a word to say. Worthless hipocrates.
From: mcbane
[9/11: They Knew]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 17:27
I'm really surprised this hasn't happened more, especially right after 9/11....Maybe Americans are even too lazy to do a hate crime (you bums!)
From: anarchyx [Hellcanwait]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 17:29
First a pig head at a roadside police memorial...now this :P. What next?
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 17:37
>> The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations is calling >> for stepped up outreach by Maine's Muslim community to educate people >> about their faith to promote greater understanding. But the perpetrator obviously DID understand their faith!
From: mljohns00 [Radical Conservative]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 17:47
This guy would've never been caught, but the pig squealed on him.
From: reader57 [Rotten Reader]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:17
They don't eat pork... The pig must be sacred to their people. Oddly enough they're never upset when they cut off a human being hostage's head.
From: sandywoods
[Andrew Woods]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:26
From: gargoyle1 Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:24 Should have tossed in a ham and some sausages too, -------------------------- Shut up about the ham and sausages, your making me feel hungry, I,m going to raid the fridge now looking for a snack!
From: csi [can't stand idiots]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:30
99% of all terrorists are Muslims aged 14 to 40. if you eliminate all Muslims aged 14 to 40 you will eliminate 99% of terrorism.
From: farcus
Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:33
Simple solution,pack your shit up and leave.We don't like you raghead assholes in our fucking country.
From: wackojacko8 [WTF?]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:45
Not like illustrating offensive cartoons to Muslims but It'll DO.
From: sandywoods
[Andrew Woods]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:46
From: dirtyslut76 [slut] Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:41 sandy who is the white dude in the picture? ------------------ I,ve no idea, any Rotteners know who it is?
From: darkshadow [Dahhkness]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:48
From: farcus Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:33 Simple solution,pack your shit up and leave.We don't like you raghead assholes in our fucking country. ______ And, I, of NATIVE American descent, do not like white people in this country either. Can I toss a head on your porch and then tell you if you dont' like it, you need to go back to Norway or Germany or wherever white people are from? That'd be nirvana.
From: gargoyle1
Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:59
From: sandywoods [Andrew Woods] Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:46 From: dirtyslut76 [slut] Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:41 sandy who is the white dude in the picture? ------------------ I,ve no idea, any Rotteners know who it is? ------------------- He's Mr. Whipple, please don't squeeze the Charmin. Must be before your time. Kids these days.
From: kittykrusader [kitty]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 19:06
Reader57, in my limited knowledge of Islam---- regarding the consumption of pork is that the pig is known to eat where it defecates, and that is why their meat is taboo. I have no love for islam or any religion for that matter, but it was kind of rude. I guess this guy didn't want to take the usual route of media mockery.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 19:17
And, I, of NATIVE American descent, do not like white people in this country either. Can I toss a head on your porch and then tell you if you dont' like it, you need to go back to Norway or Germany or wherever white people are from? If you like, but only if you can toss it from your reservation.
From: petone9 [petone9]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 19:19
This happened in Maine, not Idaho. Maybe all skinheads look alike. Throwing a pig's head into a mosque is not a very Christian thing to do. Off topic: The old white man was named Mr. Whipple. He advertised Charmin toilet paper on TV in the 60's and 70's. His tag line was, "Please don't squeeze the Charmin."
From: sumdumfuk [Mr. Dick Gozinya, man about town]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 19:25
"Muslims are prohibited from eating pork, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations says bigots often use pork products to attack or insult Muslims." Well, there's the solution to the war on terror. Bomb 'em with hot dogs, Spam and DVDs of Porky's.
From: rojas [SAUSAGEDISTRIBUTOR]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 19:25
hey Akbar Muhammed!! youve been PUNKED!!!!
From: powerslave [power slave]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 19:38
Actually, they ought to publicy announce that, here and Iraq, any raghead asshole who is involved in suicide attacks etc will be buried by menstruating female prostitutes face down in pig shit. That way, on judgement day if he tries to get ou he will only dig deeper into it.
From: momchaney [neighborhood mom]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 19:54
"Spokesman Ibrahim Hooper says outreach is important. He says anti-Islam prejudice decreases when people get to know ordinary Muslims. " I've known a few muslims. They were nice people but they would never speak up against their own religion. In conversation, they say that they are peace-loving and they don't condone with killing innocent people. They say that the terrorists, suicide-bombers and such, those people are radicals, twisting Islam. That's just my friends talking. Now if only the Imams or someone in authority would stand up and decry it. Instead, they wonder why the American public doesn't appreciate or tolerate them. On a side note, I went to a movie alone at night, and someone was throwing popcorn at my head from behind me. I thought it was kids. At first I put the hood from my jacket over my head. After the movie, I turned around and there's this middle eastern guy staring me down. I pulled my hood off and flipped my hair at him as I walked away. Tolerance is a 2-way street. Just my opinion
From: dildoslut76
[slut]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 20:20
If only that Amademijad, sp?, weren't so fucking hot! And that North Korean dude, too. And that Venezualean guy, too. Mmmm - I'd have all 3 of them, but I think there's an Ayatomeyee in Iran?
From: gargoyle1
Date: 6-Jul-2006 20:30
From: dirtyslut76 [slut] Date: 6-Jul-2006 19:03 Thanks gargoyle I am 30 have zero memory of Mr Whipple what decade is he from? ---------------- 60's and 70's, maybe on into the 80's I know, I'm old.
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 20:45
From: darkshadow [Dahhkness] Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:48 And, I, of NATIVE American descent, do not like white people in this country either. Can I toss a head on your porch and then tell you if you dont' like it, you need to go back to Norway or Germany or wherever white people are from? _________________________________ Darkness, Most white people living in America are also "Native Americans," many even have some aboriginal American genetic heritage, like me. If you and your parents and other ancestors did not live on "the reservation," then it is likely that you also have some "white blood." Most mixed-race Americans of aboriginal American descent came about as the result of mutual attraction and love between men and women of white, black, red, and yellow races, and not because of forced sex or rape though there was enough of that. I consider myself fortunate that my ancestors came from Europe, Africa, Asia, and America. I have been able to follow some of the cultural histories of my ancestors back thousands of years, including 11,000 years for my aboriginal American ancestors. As someone who is sure and proud of his "roots" I would suggest to you that you get over your resentment of white people and realize that this great country is in major part also the result of cultural input from aboriginal Americans, and like it or not, brother, you're one of us.
From: momchaney [neighborhood mom]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 21:03
That bottom one looks like Paris Hilton.
From: lordpakul [Lord Pakul]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 21:28
That's because it is Paris Hilton.
From: lordpakul [Lord Pakul]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 21:30
 http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/black-sheep/paris-hilton/
From: jenasaurusx
[Awesome!]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 21:52
Throwing a pig's head into a mosque is not a very Christian thing to do. ********** Yes, it is. Seriously, though, this is what they're going to get upset about? The Muslim people of this country have NOT been very vocal about being outraged about the Muslim terrorists. They should not be surprised by an act like this.
From: fuktardmama [fook-me]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 22:06
"Muslims are prohibited from eating pork, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations says bigots often use pork products to attack or insult Muslims." ------------------------------------------------------------------- Bigots, eh? This from the religion that when a man commits a crime, the men of the town will rape his sister as punishment. "Spokesman Ibrahim Hooper says outreach is important. He says anti-Islam prejudice decreases when people get to know ordinary Muslims." -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh ok, like if I went and walked down the middle of Bagdhad I would be left alone and shown tolerance and acceptance? WTF is wrong with these people???????????/
From: nazi [DEATH]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 22:31
If you aint eating WHAM , You aint eating HAM.
From: jenasaurusx
[Awesome!]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 22:41
From: aulduron [Aulduron] Date: 6-Jul-2006 22:01 I've done much worse things to Christian churches. ************ Stop. You're turning me on.
From: ryry [god damn it bones]
Date: 6-Jul-2006 23:42
Any man who does not love bacon is already crazy and needs a pig head thrown at him by a MLB pitcher.
From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 00:04
 This man is a fucktard, anti-American, and needs to go to jail. Last time I checked, freedom of religion was the first right guaranteed in the first line of the first article of the Bill of Rights... What's going to happen is that this is going to get a lot of press in the Muslim world and lead to equally moronic retaliation against Christians there. It's the kind of stupidity that doesn't make any kind of point or lead to any kind of change. What does he expect? People are going to convert to Christianity or move out of Lewiston because of this? Escalation of this kind of meaningless shit is what made Israel/Palestine such a fucked up country in the first place.
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 00:21
...as was freedom from religion (others' religions). A stroke of genius how it was phrased... an historical first. A lot of folks that would do away with this little inconvenience to their thocratic steamrolling plans seem to have no idea how it has kept the peace. (infrequent events like this notwithstanding.) And now, in a hypocritical gesture... my hat's off to you, Aulduron. Play "Dumb All Over" for me sometime soon (at low volume, high fidelity).
From: merrillvillain
[yeah ........ that merrillville]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 00:50
Ahhh it is good to see some good-ole fashioned racism that is accepted because the group in question is Islamic,Muslim,Hindu, or a variation of a "towel-head" I know the whole atheisim/fuck god thing is a popular sentiment around these parts because everybody is just that cool Being prejudice is nothing to brag about
From: haalonbaalona [AKA MrsSumDumFuk]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 01:16
From: sumdumfuk [Mr. Dick Gozinya, man about town] Date: 6-Jul-2006 19:25 "Muslims are prohibited from eating pork, and the Council on American-Islamic Relations says bigots often use pork products to attack or insult Muslims." Well, there's the solution to the war on terror. Bomb 'em with hot dogs, Spam and DVDs of Porky's. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ http://media.hormel.com/templates/knowledge/knowledge.asp?catitemid=16&id=9 Let's consummate our love and then "Remember the Alamo."
From: blahblahblowme
[my inner child is a mean lil fucker]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 03:36
Fuckers don't eat pork because they consider it a dirty animal. I suppose pork chop on a stick like they have at the Minnesota state fair wouldn't go over very well in Iraq, or Iran. Like a fart in church...LOL like a fucking lead balloon...LMFAO http://www.93x.com/listingsEntry.asp?ID=21687&PT=ms&HSPT=bits http://www.93x.com/hamsbits.asp The bottom link has all the bits that you can download. There is some really funny shit there! The top link is Osama bits. Check them out but if you blow out a tit or nut laughing don't blame me. Or if coffee comes out your nose...it wasn't me.
From: cracker666
[honkey Infidel]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 03:55
From: doczzz [dwarf fusion] Date: 7-Jul-2006 00:04 Last time I checked, freedom of religion was the first right guaranteed in the first line of the first article of the Bill of Rights... What's going to happen is that this is going to get a lot of press in the Muslim world and lead to equally moronic retaliation against Christians there. It's the kind of stupidity that doesn't make any kind of point or lead to any kind of change. What does he expect? People are going to convert to Christianity or move out of Lewiston because of this? Escalation of this kind of meaningless shit is what made Israel/Palestine such a fucked up country in the first place. doczzz, the problem is their religion does not allow for your religion to be a different religion or no religion. If you don't believe in Allah you are an infidel (heretic) and must die! This intolerance is the lead up to W.W.III and being kind or understanding will not appease them. 
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 04:02
>> "I know the whole atheisim/fuck god thing is a popular sentiment around >> these parts because everybody is just that cool" Merrilvillian, you never said which god you were talking about. That's rather bigoted of you, isn't it? To assume that your god is THE most important god? Anyway, you are incorrect. That is not my reason for disbelieving in gods. I don't care what is 'cool'. I disbelieve in gods because nobody ever told me a good reason to believe in any of them. But if you have a good reason, I'm willing to listen!
From: killnadir [Nadir]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 04:42
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OKAY I AM A MUSLIM... but... I really did find this humorous. And most of the retards with their ignorant comments... hey acctually are not ignorant. I truly do understand why everyone hates these fucking ragheads. Hell, I am one of them. Yep, we do stink like shit, and truly there is no fucking freedom for women in the Islamic world. OKay, now youre asking, why the fuck are you bashing your own people? Well there are Muslims who follow hadiths(so called sayings of the propeht Mohammad) and theen there are who dont give a flying shit about those hadiths aka Me,and a bunch of other people. well fuck who cares what people do to mainstream muslims. mainstream islam is a bunch of mother fucking bullshit. and personally i believe 98 percent of the fucking morons who are muslims must die and go to hell. And this, all coming from a guy who lives in stinky Pakistan ni a small village city. well throw more pigs in their paganised mosques. Becuase there is no god but God, and in the end Islam died with the prophet...
From: dirtyslut76
[slut]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 07:40
Hey if anyone is around... going to re-attempt The Hot Summer Nights in OH the thread from Wed free-for-all ANOTHER slow day at work.
From: atrybus [Draya]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 07:42
From: sandywoods [Andrew Woods] Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:46 From: dirtyslut76 [slut] Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:41 sandy who is the white dude in the picture? ------------------ I,ve no idea, any Rotteners know who it is? ------------------------------------------------------------- A couple of people asked who the guy on the right is. It's "Mr. Whipple" from the Charmin commercials. "Please don't squeeze the Charmin".  Damn, I'm old.....
From: longgone [made from people]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 08:17
While you motherfuckers eat pork, I taste real humans on my fork.
From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 08:29
From: cracker666 [honkey Infidel]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 03:55
doczzz, the problem is their religion does not allow for your religion to be a different religion or no religion. If you don't believe in Allah you are an infidel (heretic) and must die! This intolerance is the lead up to W.W.III and being kind or understanding will not appease them. ******************* The problem with their religion AND virtually every other religion is intolerance. A small mosque in Lewiston is no more responsible for Islamic fundamentalists than a church in Iraq is responsible for Pat Robertson. Plenty of non-Muslims live and work in the Middle East and are not killed. This is the problem with this Matthews fucktard: Show me one thing good that comes from what he did? And I disagree with you about 'being kind and understanding'. Not behaving the way they do is the only reason we have any credibility in telling them what religious tolerance really is. There are supposedly 6 million Muslims in this country, and 0.0001% (far less than 60) of them have ever been associated with terrorism in the past 5 years. Being 'kind and understanding' doesn't mean taking their shit though. If they (terrorists) fuck with us, we punish them, and anyone who supports them. Final point: Hitler was wasn't excommunicated by any Christian church, nor did the religion at large support him. Many Christians felt that he was appropriately avenging against 'Christ-killing Jews'. Hitler also persecuted atheists, pagans, and others for their non-belief in Christ. He was no more representative of the average Christian than Osama is of the average Muslim.
From: petone9 [petone9]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 08:30
Is the anger and disgust some of you good Americans show the Muslim religion a justifiable excuse to vandalize a place of worship? Thank you (Doc)for reminding us that freedom to practice whatever faith you believe in is one of the first things written in the Bill of Rights. That pesky Constitution and that equally pesky Bill of Rights strikes again. Too bad it applies to EVERYBODY, not just the people who believe in the "real" God. A quote from our fearless leaker (intentional typo) regarding the death of another Texas "good ole' boy" Ken Lay: ..."I hope his heart was right with the Lord, and I feel sorry for his wife..." Here is another question. A previous poster stated that, "The Muslim people of this country have NOT been very vocal about being outraged about the Muslim terrorists...and they should not be surprised that this happened." Is that a joke? Should a person be held responsible for another persons' actions just because they are of the same faith/skin color/political party?
From: nazi [DEATH]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 08:31
I dont give a fuck who they are anymore , Their home countrys are impoverished and overcrowded , they live in little huts and shacks with starvation knocking at their door , But they continue to breed like rats , And instead of letting good old mother nature do her job with famin or pestilence in order to wipe out 80 percent of these human waves of locust , The United States goverment Brings them to the USA , So now we have to live with these fucking unwashed unkempt masses that should have disappeared with the DODO , They are all the same to me , Hindu , Pakistani , India , Iraqi , Iranian , Mexican , Hmong , Vietnamese , All of you stink and there isnt anybody or any law that says i have to like you , You have polluted my country and My countrys beautiful beaches , It makes me want to vomit , I used to go to santa monica beach in the 60s and early 70s and body surf and chase the blond girls in little bikinis , Now santa monica beach is an open sewer of 3RD world human trash that are to lazy to walk to the bathroom so instead they take a shit in the sand and bury it , As far as i am concerned if you didnt grow up listening to Elvis , The Beach boys , or even R&B and MoTown , you are not an American , and you dont belong here . FUCK YOU
From: rhag6942 [Kewl Han Dluke]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 08:47
Hey - at least the pig head didn't explode and kill a bus full of kids. I think it's funny how if you walk into a store owned by these people they barely want to look at you until you hand them the $$$$. They love coming here and taking advantage of the social programs and free handouts and then bringing over every other rag in their family for more of the same. Here in Canada a Muslim group SUED the state to provide FREE schools that teach Islamic courses and Paki history. If you want your kids to learn the ways of your home country two suggestions: 1) Send them to private school. 2) If Kerblackistan or whatever "stan" country is so great and good - SEND THEM THERE. Also, To the dude with the "NATIVE American" comment: Your people lost. Plain and simple. In history civilizations and societies get absorbed into other societies. Happens all the time. Very rarely do a conquered people have the audacity to ask, no demand, so many special privileges such as not paying tax (in Canada anyway). If you want the benefits of living in our society, and we know you do - who doesnt like free healthcare, pay for it - or shut the fuck up.
From: nazi [DEATH]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 08:52
Its a fucking nightmare , Why in my lifetime did they have to open the gates for these millions of HUMAN lice , Whoever is responsible for ruining the continuity and freedoms that the people of the United Stated used to enjoy , You will surely burn in the hell of a thousand suns for ETERNITY ,
From: longgone [made from people]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 09:00
From: rhag6942 [Kewl Han Dluke] Date: 7-Jul-2006 08:47 Hey - at least the pig head didn't explode and kill a bus full of kids. ------------------ I almost fell out of my chair reading this.
From: nazi [DEATH]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 09:10
I never had to live with RAGHEAD Muslims Cruising Van Nuys BVD when i was young. I never had to go to school with RAGHEAD Muslims when i was young. I never had to go to Disneyland with RAGHEAD Muslims when i was young. I never had to share the beach with RAGHEAD Muslims when i was young. I never had to look at a RAGHEAD Muslim when i was having lunch at bobs big boy when i was young. At least i will never have to share My bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich with A RAGHEAD Muslim when i get old.
From: diamonion [poop]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 09:19
so im sure they'll take the perfectly rational response and blow up a school.
From: jenasaurusx
[Awesome!]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 09:38
Peteone: I was quite serious. I am VERY surprised that there hasn't been more anti-Muslim desecration and violence in this country, especially right after 9/11. The fact that there is so much anti-homosexual and anti-black violence leaves me very surprised that those same types of people would not turn their anger towards the religion that fueled terrorist attacks on a much broader scale. Why is it so hard to believe that I am surprised? You have much higher expectations for human nature than I do, I guess. And why does it seem so ludicrous that Muslim organizations should be expected to speak out against terrorists? Let's not play the woulda shoulda game here. You've got a country that was attacked by people who use their religion as an excuse to kill people all over the world and then they come here and devistate the whole country. The masses of people in said country practice that same religion that teaches that people do who do not share their beliefs are the enemy and should be killed. And you think it's ridiculous that they should make efforts to reassure people here that they do not condone those kinds of acts of violence? It would be the courteous, thoughtful thing to do. I never said I approved of what this guy did. In a country so swarming with people who would have everyone believe as they do, and with me being of a faith that is NOT the social norm, I value the right to freedom of religion as much as (and probably more than) the next guy. But if your religion is going to preach hate and you're going to do nothing to attempt to change that opinion, you really shouldn't be SURPRISED if someone acts out.
From: altakuri
[peacefulone]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 09:53
So America pig man think this big joke ha ha.Well I tell you in name of ALLAH that we not scared of yous America piggy head.You throw piggy head we throw bomb.You go boom boom all die,all piggy die in America. You have predident Mr bush he have face like piggy ass.One day soon I come piss on Statue of liberty,How youu think that funny you America pig lovey boys.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 09:53
I think it's funny how if you walk into a store owned by these people they barely want to look at you until you hand them the $$$$.
How's that different from any other store? We've got plenty of Mid-Easterners around here, and plenty of them own party stores, motels...etc. I aggressively boycott businesses around here who have treated me badly. There's no more Arab businesses on my shitlist than there are anyone else. Of the stores that go out of their way to make me happy, many of them are Arab owned and operated. Merrilvillian, you never said which god you were talking about. That's rather bigoted of you, isn't it? To assume that your god is THE most important god?
OK, one last time; The big 3 religions (Christians, Jews, Muslims) all have the same God, just different religions surrounding it. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. I see no protections from religion. Only from state enforced religion
From: gypsydances
[gypsy]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 09:59
good morning all..I wrote a little story for my fellow posters in the SWAN article if anyone would care to go there and read it. Just sharing a memory, and it made me smile. Maybe I should post it in here, but I don't want to go off topic... so anyway I hope you like it and it makes you smile if you care to go there and read it.
From: kurekuretakora
[oldgit]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:01
aulduron I might be wrong here but I do not believe the God of Christians to be "the same god".Yes,the origins are the same but to be a Christian,by definition you must accept Christ as the Son of God and Saviour. As neither Jews not Muslims accept this to be the case how can their god be said to be the same ?
From: simonjester [Bill Vojtech]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:04
From: darkshadow [Dahhkness] Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:48 From: farcus Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:33 Simple solution,pack your shit up and leave.We don't like you raghead assholes in our fucking country. ______ And, I, of NATIVE American descent, do not like white people in this country either. Can I toss a head on your porch and then tell you if you dont' like it, you need to go back to Norway or Germany or wherever white people are from? That'd be nirvana. ----------------- Hey, when you get right down to it, "your people" are not from here either. They walked over the Bering straits when they were frozen over and connected Asia and Alaska. And originally, we're all from Africa. I'm from Brooklyn. I'm as "native" as you.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:07
I'm no theologian but, Christ is a savior, not a God. To be a Christian, you must believe he is the son of God sent to save you. Muslims and Jews believe in the same God, just not the part about the son. Christianity is just the newest take on him, Muslims being the oldest.
From: tenpercent [bite me]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:15
in my opinion it would make no difference if muslims here denounced the terrorists and their acts of violence. what better way to get people to leave you alone while you plot your next target.
From: kurekuretakora
[oldgit]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:21
aulduron, That is where I get a bit lost as I think Christ is not only "son" of God but "part of God" as God is indivisible.Therefore,if you are a Christian (which I am not) the muslim and Jewish God cannot be the same as it is missing a "part" of itself which would be impossible for the "true" God. Also the Moslems came later than the Christians.If "newest is best" they win.
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:22
I'm no theologian either, but it's very clear that Christian dogma requires that Christ be Divine, therefore, God. God descended into matter for the sole purpose of bringing salvation to mankind. The "Son of God" is an expression used to define that Divinity. Jews and Moslems do not accept that God ever descends into matter and that Christ is only a prophet, as was Moses and Mohammed. Many "Christians" do not accept the Divinity of Jesus, but nevertheless call themselves "Christians."
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:35
I can't find it, so I'll take back my statement about age. My point is that they are the same God. Christians think he sent his son Jesus to save us, Muslims think he sent a prophet Mohammed, Jews think....well I don't really care what Jews think any more than I care about the other 2 groups.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:36
You have 3 groups of people looking at the same thing, giving different explanations of what they see. It's like the 3 blind guys checking out the elephant, whatever that story was called.
From: jenasaurusx
[Awesome!]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:41
Religion: Another of my most favorite subjects! "It's very clear that Christian dogma requires that Christ be Divine, therefore, God." Aha! But that would require actually studying the book that is so often thumped rather than just believing by faith what your preacher tells you. Once could liken this to acceptance of what governments tell their people, but the degree to which many Christians try to form their whole lives around their religion would, you would think, demand a little more scrutiny. ************* "That is where I get a bit lost as I think Christ is not only "son" of God but "part of God" as God is indivisible.Therefore,if you are a Christian (which I am not) the muslim and Jewish God cannot be the same as it is missing a "part" of itself which would be impossible for the "true" God." But doesn't your religion teach you that there is only one god, so their god must be your god, too? Or are you suggesting that there is literally more than one god? That your god has colleagues, if you will?
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:43
I think the name of that story was "The Search for Intelligent Design."
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:48
If you accept that god is omnipotent then you have to accept that he can do anything, including being his own colleague.
From: kurekuretakora
[oldgit]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:50
jenasaurux No,you see that's my point.The muslim and jewish "god" must,to an honest Christian,be false "gods" ,as they don't accept the divinity of Jesus they therefore deny the divinity of the Christian God. If a Christian is honest,allah and yaweh can no more be God than Zeus or Krishna.The fact that the "books" are similar is irrelevant.To a Christian the new testament is the vital part.
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 10:59
The New Testament is the literal foundation of the Christian religion. The central dogma, belief, or organizing idea of Christianity is the Divinity of Jesus Christ, every other thing is secondary.
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:04
"BrainPain" is usually the first indication of doubt leading to higher understandings. It is usually accompanied by some foolishness such as certainty and a feeling that your ideas are more valid than others.
From: l2owen [James Bong]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:08
fuck those towelhead pieces of shit. someone should of put TNT in that pighead and blew that mosque back to shit-rock. decry your beheadings of americans, europeans, and any other non muslims you hypocritical pieces of shit. why dont you decry the rapes and forced marriages in your culture. decry how you destory thousand year old statues of buddah and non-islamic religious relics. decry how you persecute anyone that isnt of your religion. decry your own pieces of shit living on our land and plotting to kill americans and canadians. a pigs head is not enough , wish he would of somehow thought of making that thing bring down the whole building.
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:15
Organized Religion. A belief system frequently subject to internal and external contradiction, and not reliable in coping with reality or simple physical law. Those who fall under its influence may experience delusional states which many would call eccentricity or insanity. The only cure for organized religion is TRUTH.
From: kimjongill [kim jong]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:18
dis kim jong eel i hava small dik i launcha mis ile name dong!
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:19
>> "The big 3 religions (Christians, Jews, Muslims) all have the same >> God, just different religions surrounding it." Aulduron: the Christian God incarnated in human form and underwent self-sacrifice. This is the central event of the Christian religion and cannot be dismissed as custom or tradition. The Muslim God most definitely did NOT do this critically important thing. Therefore nobody can claim they are "the same god".
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:29
the Christian God incarnated in human form and underwent self-sacrifice. This is the central event of the Christian religion and cannot be dismissed as custom or tradition. You mean by sending "his son" he incarnated in human form, and underwent self-sacrifice by allowing himself to be crucified? It's the same God, just different stories made up about him.
From: petone9 [petone9]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:29
While I can appreciate the anger (however misplaced) expressed by previous posters, please keep in mind that not all American citizens of the Muslim faith are of middle eastern decent. Cassius Clay and Lou Al Cinder certainly weren't born "ragheads", they converted to Islam. Their religious conversions didn't stop them from becoming rich and famous either. Only in America...(sigh) Regarding the Christian religion. Not all sects of Christianity believe in the whole "Jesus" thing. "Born again" Christians believe you must accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and only through him will you be "saved" and be guaranteed a place in Heaven. This is the fundamentalist, so called "bible based" version of Christianity that I think Mr. Bush believes in at his church. It has always been my understanding that the oldest formal religion was started in the sixth or seventh century BCE by a guy in Persia (Iran) named Zoroaster, who established Zoroastrianism, which came way before Islam. The Zoroastrians had to leave Persia because of religious persecution during the seventh and eighth centuries at the hands of the upstart Muslims. So, they went to India and became the "Parsi" ethnic group. Whatever happened to, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you..."
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:32
...another James Bong. (yawn) The "same god" bit is historically accurate... they all are "Abrahamic" religions in that the god they all espouse is the god of Abraham. So they all share common roots. What happened after that - the Christ literally saying he was God is the part in dispute. The son of god / lamb of god is flowery symbolism stuff that eventually became the trinity concept around AD 388. The reason why we don't have so much post-911 bombings and such has a lot to do with the opening of the Bill of Rights. (incidentally, freedom *from* religion is implied in the clause "or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" insofarasmuch as it protects the religious from the religious other.) Lack of sectarian violence also has a lot to do with the fact that MOST people are reasonable and peaceable. Even Muslims here and abroad (despite what their texts say). Muslim moderates, however, have not been helped much by the latest Iraq war, which has served the fundamentalists VERY well.
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:39
So that you know that not all Moslems are set against Infidels and that there are some who are sensible in their opinions of the rest of the world, you should investigate the testimonies of several apostates. Many of these people live in secret places, fearful for their lives because they have been sentenced to death either by Quranic decree (the word of Allah), or by a fatwa issued by an Islamic official. All these people are "Bad Moslems." http://www.secularislam.org/testimonies/index.htm
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:40
How does "congress shall pass no laws...prohibitng the free exercise (of religion)" protect people from all religion in general? I've been looking for years, but I just don't see it.
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:47
It only protects from others' religions... as others' religions coming down on yours would be a violation of individual rights. It's only more recently that the concept has been generalized in the courts to include atheistic viewpoints. (in other words, "free exercise thereof" has been generalized to include the freedom not to exercise any religion - even though this is not explicit). All this is, of course, nitpicked ad nauseum by the fundamentalists here that say this is a country founded on Christian principles. When it really was founded by deists.
From: winston
[smith]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:50
The Enema Bandit became the subject of Frank Zappa's song "The Illinois Enema Bandit". mcnastie thats funny hey the muslims should have eaten the head dont they eat bacon on holidays all the time anyways...hey how virgins to muslims get in heaven???? NONE Becuase all muslims burn in hell for all eternity
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:56
Haven't you heard? "72 virgins" is a mistranslation of the opriginal Aramaic. Apparently "72 white raisins of crystal clarity" is really what awaits.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:00
It only protects from others' religions... as others' religions
coming down on yours would be a violation of individual rights.
It's only more recently that the concept has been generalized
in the courts to include atheistic viewpoints. (in other words,
"free exercise thereof" has been generalized to include the
freedom not to exercise any religion - even though this is not
explicit). And we certainly have the right to practice no religion, however we don't have the right to be shielded by the religious displays of others, as many here insist we do. And to say that we were founded by deists, is just as right or wrong as saying we were founded by Christians. We were founded by a lot of different people.
From: winston
[smith]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:03
From: scarfface [Schmutamongus] Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:56 Haven't you heard? "72 virgins" is a mistranslation of the opriginal Aramaic. Apparently "72 white raisins of crystal clarity" is really what awaits. ======================== i thought it was 72 gram shards of crystal meth
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:06
From: aulduron [Aulduron] Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:40 How does "congress shall pass no laws...prohibitng the free exercise (of religion)" protect people from all religion in general? I've been looking for years, but I just don't see it. __________________________________________ Aulderon, 1. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, 2. or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; 3. or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, 4. and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. ___________________________________________________ 1. Self-evident that this clause protects from a state-established religion. Inherent in that protection is the weakening of any pretender to that position, thus providing deterrence to any religion assuming dominance over others. 2. If one cannot practice his religion or philosophy because of exterior factors, then one must give in to the prevailing religion or live a life in effective ostracism. 3. These are rights, which in part, are necessary to counter the influence of religions, churches, or philosophies which otherwise might come to dominate public consciousness and thus cut off meaningful dissent. 4. This right is important in allowing an injured party (plaintiff) to sue for damages. Though not done often against churches and such, the mechanism is there if needed. If not there, then religions and churches would be free to abuse the target of their choice by such methods as public approbation. Though many may consider these rights to be minimal and generally ineffective, they comprise a balancing of the rights of individuals to practice or not practice their respective philosophies. Through long practice and application they have been found to work pretty good. If you don't think they have, then just consider what the Catholic Church did to Europe when they had power and no secular restraints on that power.
From: winston
[smith]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:07
hey how come they said in the articule that the muslims were big fucking idiots that suck cocks all day long i thought that homosexuallity was forbidden well they always say "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" or "the lubed gapping asshole gets tha dick"
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:08
That's right... a lot of people that were in disagreement, esp about the choice of what the official religion of the colonies was to be. Thomas Jefferson (and Ben Franklin, I think) took the high road out of this morass by making things religion-neutral. Jefferson, who put most of the thought and penmanship into it, didn't subscribe to the Christ god, though he believed in some kind of unifying force out there. G Washington had his doubts as well, though everybody went to church. Madison had his problems with organized religion. So did Ben. So for anyone to blanket the founders as Christians is an extremely dishonest thing to do, as most of them (at least the important framers) in no way subscribed to these ideas.
From: winston
[smith]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:10
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)] Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:06 From: aulduron [Aulduron] Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:40 How does "congress......blah blah blah blah...r restraints on that power. ====================== why not start a protest group
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:12
...and I'll look into the 72g of crystal meth interpretation. That might be a more modern translation, but perhaps those bedouins were more advanced in their chemistry than I give them credit for.... (did Sudafed exist in 700AD ?)
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:15
From: winston [smith] Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:10 From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)] Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:06 From: aulduron [Aulduron] Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:40 How does "congress......blah blah blah blah...r restraints on that power. ====================== why not start a protest group ______________________________________ Not interested. Livin' in the USA and glad of it.
From: winston
[smith]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:27
From: scarfface [Schmutamongus] Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:12 ...and I'll look into the 72g of crystal meth interpretation. That might be a more modern translation, but perhaps those bedouins were more advanced in their chemistry than I give them credit for.... (did Sudafed exist in 700AD ?) ================================ no but the ephedra plant did
From: winston
[smith]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:30
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)] Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:15 From: winston [smith] Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:10 From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)] Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:06 From: aulduron [Aulduron] Date: 7-Jul-2006 11:40 How does "congress......blah blah blah blah...r restraints on that power. ====================== why not start a protest group ______________________________________ Not interested. blah blah blah i suck cocks ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ okay dude i dont have anything against homos but i do find it offensive u would post what u like to do to young boys okay so stop please
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:32
A little tally - clarification... apparently, Washington's diaries indicated he rarely attended church. The misconception was created by the same dude (Mason Weems) who invented the bullshit cherry tree story. For the record, Freemasons were Deists - which means "worship the god your conscience dictates, as long as you do worship a god". The name Christ never appears in any of Washington's writings... not among thousands of letters. So Washington, Franklin, Hancock, Hamilton, Lafayette - and many others, were Freemasons - i.e. Deists - which is heretical to the mainstream theology which clearly states "my way, or the highway". This is essentially a non-Christian mode of thought, as it maintains belief in a God is all that is necessary... to thine own self be true. Heresy, in other words. Jefferson was clearly a bird unto his own self. He WAS his own religion. He believed in science. "Question with boldness even the existence of a god." was his motto. Adams: "I almost shudder at the thought of alluding to the most fatal example of the abuses of grief which the history of mankind has preserved -- the Cross. Consider what calamities that engine of grief has produced!" He clearly did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Madison - not Christian. Franklin rebelled in his parents' Calvinism, embracing Freemasonry (above)... Paine: "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my church. " Hmmmm... who exactly ARE these Christian founders? I know there were some (as there was heated debate about this point in the framing of the Constitution)
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:37
So for anyone to blanket the founders as
Christians is an extremely dishonest thing to do, as most of them
(at least the important framers) in no way subscribed to these ideas. I'm saying that to blanket them as just about anything is extremely dishonest. To whomever that was, I know what the first amendment says. I agree with it. We're not arguing that. All we're arguing about is one little preposition.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:42
So Washington, Franklin, Hancock, Hamilton, Lafayette - and many others, were Freemasons - i.e. Deists - There are plenty of Christian Masons. There's Jewish Masons, and Muslim Masons. The only religious requirement for joining the Masons is to believe in one God. Just because they were Masons does not mean they weren't Christians.
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:48
Winston, the nice guys with the white coats and nice needles are here to talk to you. They say that it's time for your afternoon nap. Why don't you go with them and relax a little bit?
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:56
From: aulduron [Aulduron] Date: 7-Jul-2006 12:37 ...one little preposition. ________________________________ Freedom from religion... Can't guarantee that! What you're asking for is to be free from the exposure to religion. What if someone were to ask for freedom from exposure to your ideas? You'd think they were pretty uppity, wouldn't you? The best we can do is not to allow any religion to have a favored status, including yours and mine.
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 13:04
I found one Christian founder... Patrick Henry. He tried, unsuccesfully, thank God (heh heh), to institute a tax to support the churches. Jefferson and others browbeat the maroon into the concept of a secular state. So I guess my best understanding was that most of the framers were indeed NOT Christian in their personal views - and had no trouble getting the treaty of Tripoli through the Senate when it clearly stated: "As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." This document, began in the Washington presidency and was ratified in Adams'. So the wrap-up is that the Founders were mostly enlightenment-era Deists and rationalists, who made the clauses CLEARLY mean religions and god beliefs should not infringe on others' rights to believe otherwise (although it was generally accepted some god would be believed in). They weren't concerned about Buddhism, and general atheism as it is currently thought of was not as common a philosophy. But it is generally codified that others should not shove religious proclamations down your throat, as is done with 10 commandment bullshit on state property. The "under God" bullshit and "in God we trust" bullshit is just vague enough to have passed muster - even though it fucks with Buddhists, Hindus, Voodoun practitioners, and a whole host of others' religious beliefs - which, while it might not violate the letter of the law, DEFINITELY violates the spirit of the law. Ah, just saw your latest... Washington: no evidence he was NOT a Christian, but no evidence he was (which is tantamount to saying he was not, given the volume of letters he produced). Jefferson was not even a Deist. Franklin rejected Christ. Madison was definitely not a Christian Deist. Paine - definitely not Christian. Hancock, Hamilton, Lafayette may have been Christers - just not in any modern sense. I consider Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Madison and Washington to be the "core" (esp the first 4) as they did most of the work in drafting and arguing the Christers (like Henry) off their perches.
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 13:05
Putting limits on others is the same as giving yourself more freedom. Limiting something is the same as being free from it. If you can't get past that, then you are limiting yourself. I refer you to the 2nd Chapter, 45th Verse, Bhahagavad Gita.
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 13:13
As for guaranteeing "freedom from religion" -- at most, I'm arguing that this is true only in a OFFICIAL sense, i.e. officially sanctioned (mandated) prayer, taxpayer-supported (by virtue of space or money) religious displays, etc. I don't think I made a claim as to somehow sanitizing our daily lives from interaction with any babbling street preacher... anyone can proseletyze, as well as raise their middle finger. My point was that freedom "from" religion was in an institutional sense -- I am in no way obligated to *pay* for someone else's religious beliefs. It makes for a wall between religious beliefs -- which until only recently (since there are "religions" like Buddhism that don't have god, really philosophies) was generalized to non-god modes of thought. Doesn't mean I can't show up in the street in front of your house to try and convert you to Islam, unless I end up disturbing your peace and get the cops called on me... (or get myself killed practicing my freedom of religion)
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 13:13
Scarface, You're a peach! Apparently you're doing this research while you're doing the Forum. Multitasking like a mother-fucker! We need more thoughtful, resourceful, and open-minded people like you here.
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 13:16
Excuse me. Scarfface! Sorta changes the meaning.
From: ltjackboot
[name]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 13:19
Wow. I really hope that SOME of these posts were just jokes. You sound just like them. And by them I mean the people ACTUALLY responsible for the crimes and entire people are blamed for.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 13:24
As for guaranteeing "freedom from religion" -- at most, I'm arguing that this is true only in a OFFICIAL sense, i.e. officially sanctioned (mandated) prayer, taxpayer-supported (by virtue of space or money) religious displays, etc. Then why are we arguing? That's clearly covered in the first part.
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 13:26
I gotta go now. Take a shower and do a job interview. It's been a gas.
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 13:40
From: aulduron [Aulduron] Then why are we arguing? I wasn't so sure we were arguing - rather, just clarifying a point. Apparently where we weren't seeing eye-to-eye was merely definitional: what "freedom from religion" meant. To me, this phrase means freedom not to have to support another religion - either in time or space (which in my rather more generalized view, now includes freedom from supporting, with my hard-earned sheckles, even the amorphous "god" bits or any stuff based on Abrahamic law). Which means tax money devoted to putting "in God we Trust" on all our coinage (what's wrong with E Pluribus Unum?) or even wasted classroom and court time dicking around with the McCarthey-era "under God" phrase. To me, it's now covered under "free exercise"... which I (and many others as you know) translate to mean "on your own time, and in your own way". I'd like to not have to pay for congressional time repeating "under God" hearings, or the next "ten commandment" hearing that will inevitably come up - but unfortunately, to prohibit such rubbish from coming up would also conflict with the Constitution. Kind of a bitch, when you think of it... when there's so much more important business than re-educating House members every five minutes. (mostly bozos from the South, no less).
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 14:39
endnote: John Hancock was a Christer Deist. (as per 1791 Thanksgiving Proclamation) Alexander Hamilton: big-time Christer of a Deist - one of the biggest biotches, that made settling on a Constitution such a pisser of a chore. Lafayette: seems not to be a Christer, but unsure. No evidence of it in his writings, and Christers have a way of writing about this eventually - esp. in matters of state. He actually seems more pragmatic and a product of the French-enlightenment than anybody (like Franklin and Jefferson) John Jay: Christer Samuel Adams: Christer John Langdon: Christer These folks seemed smart enough to eventually acquiesce to keeping Jeebus out of matters of state.
From: ogrotten
[rotten og]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 15:47
I wish muslims got as angry about 9/11 as they do about this. This guy shows almost as much intolerance as that Florida Muslim radio station did for firing a non-muslim employee that ate a BLT.
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 16:01
Every Muslim I know got a combination of frightened (at backlash from their angry compatriot Americans), and bummed that moderates (I don't know any fundamentalists personally) would continue to be marginalized.
From: sandywoods
[Andrew Woods]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 16:06
Time for a muslim joke. Two Muslim mothers are sitting in the cafe chatting over a pint of goat's milk. The older of the two pulls her bag out and starts flipping through photographs and they start reminiscing. "This is my oldest son Mohammed. He'd be 24 years old now." "Yes, I remember him as a baby," says the other mother cheerfully. "He's a martyr now," mum confides. "O! That's so sad dear," says the other. "And this is my second son, Kalid. He'd be 21 now," says the first Muslim mother. "Oh, I remember him," says the other happily, "he had such dark, curly hair when he was born." "Yes, Well, he's a martyr, too now," says the mother quietly. "Oh! Good gracious me," says the other. "And this is my third son. My baby. My beautiful Ahmed. He'd be 18 now," whispers the first Muslim mother. "Yes," says the friend enthusiastically. "I remember when he first started school." "He's a martyr too now" says the Muslim mum, with tears in her eyes. After a pause and a deep sigh, the second Muslim mother looks wistfully at the photographs and says: "They blow up so fast, don't they?"
From: gypsydances
[gypsy]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 16:07
OK, one last time; The big 3 religions (Christians, Jews, Muslims) all have the same God, just different religions surrounding it. ~~~~~~~ Oh thank you soo much aulduron for not mentioning Scientology. If I see Tom Cruises face again, I'm going to vomit. Him and his 'baabaa little sheep' brain washed wife make me ill.
From: gypsydances
[gypsy]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 16:17
Yes your right about the 3 main religions of course aulduron. I also think Hinduism is an interesting religion, but it isn't based on the same God, am I right?
From: vicmasterblower
[don't mean glass, guys]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 16:27
Hi everyone.. This is a repeat of a post in the swan thread. A very fine story on the swan thread, gypsy. I have been lurking most of this week and have not had a whole lot of time to converse. I hope all & everyone is well. As to the theologian discourse religions, I must say it is quite commendable. While I was raised presbyterian, I do not practice that or any religion today, other than to walk/hike in the mountains and my neighborhood. To me, these are god's (or force, or spirit, or whatever you want to call the supreme being) churches, chapels, mosques & synagogues. I believe that the most high "energy" is in each of us and most have yet to tap into it or even seek it out. Somehow, we are all related and connected. Most of the behaviour of folks today is the struggling with self evolution; hate must be practiced in order to know love. Anxiety must be known in order to know calm, abundance experienced in order to know sparsity. There is much to learn before one can be enlightened as the masters have been; buddha christ, muhamed, moses, and the others. We may someday, find the god we seek is ourself. So, in a lame attempt to tie this to the current religious discussion, I want to say that the three major religions were all birthed from the same source.
From: gypsydances
[gypsy]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 16:31
Maybe I will google it. I'm tired, just got back from the doc, and don't feel like running a relay today. It'll give me something to do. I've always thought Hinduism was kind of a mystic religion, involving karma and stuff.
From: gypsydances
[gypsy]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 16:36
vicmaster, your above explanation of the religion within was full of insight! I'm actually going to copy and paste it and save it in my drafts.
From: vicmasterblower
[don't mean glass, guys]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 16:37
Ooops, my post was supposed to say discourse "on" religions. Hey sandywoods, thank for that humor; I have repeated it to anyone who will listen. alduron, you are very thoughful and it sounds like you are bumping up against something..like maybe a breakthrough.
From: absintheredux
[Green Death]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 16:53
From: vicmasterblower [don't mean glass, guys]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 16:44
I am flattered. And significant!
Aren't religions just to help explain the unexplainable? (or is it inexplicable?) And aren't they evolutions of paganism? ................................................ I would be tempted to say: "degeneration" of paganism.
From: noneofyourbsnss [really noneofyourbusiness]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 17:10
My uncle worked in Iraq roughly 30 years ago, when Saddam was the best friend of the USA. And he told me, that in the rural parts of the countries people are so afraid of pigs, that they are running away when they see one. Throwing a pighead in a mosque is worse than throwing a bag full of burning shit in a catholic church, peeing on the holy flame and turning around the cross. What is your guy's problem with muslims? Was Timothy McVeight a muslim? Some muslims were vocal about the cartoons. So what? The catholic church is vocal about films, books, music - like the perverted christian shitheads on tv. Face it, at the end every religious group and every nation has its 10% of braindead shiteaters. Except for the USA - there they have roughly 80% stupid shiteating retards. There were 2 extreme islamistic terror attacks in the usa so far. And how many people are shot every day? Or died in Chile? Or in Nicaragua? Or died because the USA helped Saddam? Or in Iraq after Saddam? Why so angry about the few people killed by islamic idiots - but where is the anger about the hundreds of thousands killed by the USA and its puppets?
From: haalonbaalona [AKA MrsSumDumFuk]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 17:13
Phil Spectre is such a shithead.
From: haalonbaalona [AKA MrsSumDumFuk]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 17:16
Or is that Spector? Yeah, that's it.
From: sheik [Yerbouti]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 17:31
200 years from now, after the Islamic world develops nukes and delivery capability, and destroys the West, history will recall with great hilarity a society that considered thrown pig heads every bit as evil as beheadings and bombings.
From: julezeebub [jules]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 17:44
Gee, it sure would be fun to get involved in all this religious crap, but my faith is in the conference a million or so years ago, in which it was decided that women don't have souls. And since no organized religion has anything in it for women anyway--please, Rotten duder, put in some new stuff.
From: insineratehymn [Spontaneous Christian Combustion]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 18:16
Fuck islam, and fuck allah too (with a broken, splintered broomstick)
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 18:32
GypsyDances - Smarta Hinduism is a monotheism of sorts, except where a single transcendant being is split into multiple personal gods in a pantheon... so it gets confused with polytheism. It gets more confusing as there are other less powerful things (devas) that occupy this mythology. The Vedanta branch of Hindu is more rigid in its monotheism. After that, there are many different splinters... some which deny material reality, even. Kind of reminds me of Christianity in many ways, actually. (which has a monotheistic trinity... which seems contradictory, plus a bunch of lesser thingies like angels and demons).
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 18:47
Gypsy: this site has a crappy pop-up, but is an attempt to simplify Hindu for Westerners. http://hindubooks.org/hinduism_simplified/ Interesting to note there's a trinity, and 10 commandments (actually "recommendations"). There is a built-in caste system, which the authors claim has been perverted into the present-day system where people cannot change castes. If I could somehow make people love and respect each other without having ALL systems of superstitious B.S. looking over their shoulders, and had access to the Big Red Button that disappeared all this junk forever, I'd hit that button in a heartbeat.
From: farcus
Date: 7-Jul-2006 19:23
Darkshadow, You can toss a head on my porch if I can toss a smallpox infested blanket on yours.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 20:11
 John Godfrey Saxe's ( 1816-1887) version of the famous Indian legend,
It was six men of Indostan,
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.
The First approach'd the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"
The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear,
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"
The Third approach'd the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," -quoth he- "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"
The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee:
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," -quoth he,-
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"
The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said- "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"
The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Then, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," -quoth he,- "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"
And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!
MORAL,
So, oft in theologic wars
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean;
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 20:24
Here are todays obligatory Rush lyrics There are those who think that life has nothing left to chance,
A host of holy horrors to direct our aimless dance.
A planet of playthings,
We dance on the strings
Of powers we cannot perceive
"The stars aren't aligned,
Or the gods are malign..."
Blame is better to give than receive
You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill;
I will choose a path that's clear
I will choose freewill.
There are those who think that they were dealt a losing hand,
The cards were stacked against them; they weren't born in Lotusland.
All preordained
A prisoner in chains
A victim of venomous fate.
Kicked in the face,
You can't pray for a place
In heaven's unearthly estate
Each of us
A cell of awareness
Imperfect and incomplete.
Genetic blends
With uncertain ends
On a fortune hunt that's far too fleet
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 22:48
I noticed that the organization decrying the pig-head in the mosque (is that anything like pigs-in-a-blanket?) was CAIR, the Council on American-Islamic Relations. This is the outfit that GW Bush cozied up to just after 9-11, when he called Islam the religion of peace, compassion, and love. The following is a funny eye-opening think-piece from the Islam Review http://www.islamreview.com/articles/sharia.shtml SHARIA IN AMERICA By Ayesha Ahmed Omar M. Ahmad founder of CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) said: "Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant," he said. "The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America , and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth." Americans should give a serious thought to CAIR's agenda. If Islam and sharia is adopted in America, It will be great. Muslims are right. None of the existing Islamic countries are truly Islamic, that is why they don't progress and most of them are poor, corrupt and miserable. We must implement 100% sharia and sunna to get full benefits of Islam. Insha'Allah we will try to do it in USA to make it the first real Muslim country after the days of rightly guided khalifas. Consider the following advantages: America can go to jihad against non-Muslim countries. It will bring immense wealth in booty and millions of captured women. Canada and Mexico can be easy targets and are conveniently located for easy assault and hauling of booty. Since slavery will be allowed government (Islamic religious organizations) can open slave markets to sell its 20% share of the captured women and children. Captured women/slave-girls can provide affordable domestic help for house wives and clean enjoyable sex for their husband. Enslaved men can be used as farm labor and factory workers at a much lower cost than unionized labor. Unemployed men from the prohibited non-Islamic businesses like TV, photography, computers, mortgage companies, music industry, etc., can be hired as religious police for the Ministry of Prevention of Vice and Promotion of Virtues. They can be used to beat up women violating burqa laws, arrest men with undersize beards and whip the non-religious types found loitering at prayer times. Since men will be allowed four wives and unlimited number of slave girls, population boom will result in making the fastest growing religion grow even faster. All non-muslims will live under dhimmi rules and pay heavy Jizya (tax on non-Moslems). Budget deficits will be a thing of the past. Stoning of adulterers, whipping of alcohol drinkers, cutting off hands and feet of thieves and beheadings of apostates can be carried out after Juma prayers on Fridays in the local stadium. Gate charge for this gory and exciting weekly spectacle can generate a lot of revenue. Unemployed male gynecologists can be hired to carry out circumcisions of new male converts. Female circumcision can be made mandatory to promote piety and holiness and discourage lewdness among women. Marriage age for girls can be lowered to 6 years. That will reduce the burden of support of large poorer families and also promote a sunna, the tradition set by the holy prophet (peace be upon him). Entire month of Ramadan will be declared as public holidays so that every one can pray and recite the Quran. Why work in the only month in which all ibadah and Quran recitals are worth 70 times the normal sawab (reward)?
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 22:50
Shia Muslims on temporary out of town business assignments will be able to do a temporary marriage (Muta) and enjoy home comfort outside of home. Since menstruation is a disease according to Quran all menstruating women will be given time off to rest in bed during their periods. All toilet seats in the public rest rooms will be reoriented so that one does not defecate facing Mecca. All public toilets will have buckets of stones instead of toilet tissues for claiming after defecation as a movement to implement sunna in the country. Separate bins along roadside will be placed to drop bones and dried animal feces for jinns to snack on. Spiraling medical costs can be brought down by the following two prong approaches: Imams can be placed in the clinics to recite Quranic ayas (verses) and blow on the patients and pray for them. Their fee will be a fraction of what doctor's charge. All pharmacies will be required to dispense black cumin, honey, Indian incense and camel urine as cure for all diseases as recommended by the holy prophet (pbuh). The cost will be a fraction of today's medicines. Spiraling prison costs will come down due to the following: All men serving time for the crime of rape will be freed if four male witnesses had not testified in the trial. Even if four male witnesses had testified, the criminal will be freed under insanity provision, since only mentally insane will rape in front of four witnesses. All men serving sentences for beating wives will be freed as under new American sharia law wife beating will be allowed. All thieves will be freed after cutting their hands and feet. All pedophiles will be freed as sex with children will not be against law any more. All slayers of unbelievers will be freed if they convert to Islam. All these result in savings and prosperity and happiness for all. InshaAllah! For information or comments, write to Feedback@IslamReview.com http://www.islamreview.com/articles/sharia.shtml
From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 23:29
My, what an interesting discussion on the First Amendment and the Constitution. Some high school kid can plagiarize this shit and write a kick-ass Civics report. I like the idea of Sharia in America. Let's start in Florida and see how it goes.   
From: thedusthunter [patrick dowdy]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 23:35
http://www.fugly.com/images/4496/fugly40423003.html
From: davidicke
[David Icke]
Date: 7-Jul-2006 23:51
A follower of a religion that condones murder, rape, pedophilia, and genocide threw a pig's severed head into the place of worship of an opposing religion that also condones murder, rape, pedophilia, and genocide? Religions of tolerance and peace, indeed. Somehow, I'm amused. Can't we put all the religious people in a gigantic steel cage and see how long it takes them to butcher each other? We could neuter the survivor, give him a lifetime supply of anti-psychotics, and allow him his choice of designer straight jackets. That would be the civilized thing to do. Then again, I'm an ex-fundamentalist. I'm a little prejudiced and bitter.
From: doczzz
[dwarf fusion]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 00:11
Can't we put all the religious people in a gigantic steel cage and see how long it takes them to butcher each other? We could neuter the survivor, give him a lifetime supply of anti-psychotics, and allow him his choice of designer straight jackets. That would be the civilized thing to do. ******************* Sounds like one of my jack-off fantasies, dude...
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 00:57
>> What is your guy's problem with muslims? My problem is that while most sane Christians will admit the Bible has some not-entirely-true parts in the early chapters, I cannot find any Muslims to say the same for the Koran. p.s. this was in respect of the Koran's description of the Universe. Basically, the Koran tells us that outer space is a series of nested spheres. Yes, folks, Allah holds the medieval view of the Solar System, the one discredited by Newton!
From: timmyturtle [tim t turtle]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 00:57
are u kidding!! hell he oughta be rewarded, have u ever SMELLED some of those filthy fucking towellheads, the pig(head) was probably the CLEANEST thing in the mosque.. i work grocery and ive had arabic/muslims come down the aisle i was stocking and their B.O about make me barf, i know where they come from its a desert, but over here we got PLENTY of water and cheap readily avaiable soap (i can get Pure and Natural brand soap 3 cakes for 89c @ my work) and it SMELLS GOOD and Suave/White rain shampoo is 99c-1.09 a bottle and SUN laundry soap 2.99/bottle so it aint real expensive to be CLEAN..fucking skanky ass people..i swear there should be an entrance exam on how to properly apply soap and water..
From: greyfox [grey]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 01:35
Reader57, in my limited knowledge of Islam---- regarding the consumption of pork is that the pig is known to eat where it defecates, and that is why their meat is taboo. I have no love for islam or any religion for that matter, but it was kind of rude. I guess this guy didn't want to take the usual route of media mockery yeah, well they eat chicken, and chickens eat chicken droppings. the REAL reason pork is "forbidden by god" is that the stupid middle-east tribesmen didn't cook it right and got diseased from the undercooked meat. so "god" put a ban on it, because the priests got sick of having to "heal" the morons whose wives can't cook.
From: greyfox [grey]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 01:37
And yes, the remains of terrorist bombers should be buried in pigshit. Simple, cheap, effective.
From: petone9 [petone9]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 09:09
"...I've always wondered which church is Mr. Bush's..." It wasn't church, but he was in the super secret 'Skull and Bones Society' at Yale, just like his dad and grandpa. That sounds odd, almost queer... George Sr. and televangelist Billy Graham have been friends for years, and I believe he credits him with getting George Jr. off the booze. (I think by phone. Seriously.) Thanks for the good discussion.
From: noneofyourbsnss [really noneofyourbusiness]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 13:44
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden] Date: 8-Jul-2006 00:57 >> What is your guy's problem with muslims? My problem is that while most sane Christians will admit the Bible has some not-entirely-true parts in the early chapters, I cannot find any Muslims to say the same for the Koran. p.s. this was in respect of the Koran's description of the Universe. Basically, the Koran tells us that outer space is a series of nested spheres. Yes, folks, Allah holds the medieval view of the Solar System, the one discredited by Newton! -------------------------------------------------------------------- and the Catholic church accepted the 'newtonian' solar system only 10 years ago. And the Catholic church is roughly 500years older. ....
From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 15:12
noneofyourbsnss: what is your point, exactly? That we cannot expect Islam to achieve sanity for another 500 years?
From: noneofyourbsnss [really noneofyourbusiness]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 17:41
no, but cut them some slack. They made a lot of progress in the last 50 years. Almost as much, as catholic in 2000. you can't expect them to catch up on everything. Oh, and have a look at the christian shitheads how claim that PI is 3. Because of some biblical texts (and did it not become a law in some of the southern states?). The moslems might be lay back here and there - but the christian fundamentalists are not better. And there is a difference between a 08!5 moslem and a fundamentalistic moslem, like there is a difference between 08/15 christs and fundamentalistic christs. That atheists rule them all is a totally different point.
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 17:50
re: moderate Islam... they exist, but they're on the run. http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2004/May/23/edit/stories/06edit.htm A lot of militant support can be traced to the Saudis... our buddies. Fundies stick together, ya know.
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 17:55
...we would have been better served assasinating key members of the royal families in Saudi Arabia and Yemen (y' know... the states that helped breed and provide training grounds for the 9-11 hijackers?) than we would attacking a secular state that was keeping a lid on the motherfuckers.
From: noneofyourbsnss [really noneofyourbusiness]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 20:02
Exactly! But as long as the saudis are paying millions over millions to politicians and ex-politicians, they can breed as much terrorists as they want. Who cares, that saddam himself was a potential target for the extremists and that he fought them - he did not sent the big cheques to the usa. If you want to fight terroristic breeding grounds, round up Saudi Arabia.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 8-Jul-2006 21:37
They made a lot of progress in the last 50 years. Almost as much, as catholic in 2000. I've yet to see any progress from either group power hungry fucktards.
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 9-Jul-2006 02:51
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From: doctordickum [Stinkly Dickum MD]
Date: 9-Jul-2006 07:40
From: noneofyourbsnss [really noneofyourbusiness] Date: 8-Jul-2006 13:44 From: theallseeingear [Bavid Dyrden] Date: 8-Jul-2006 00:57 >> What is your guy's problem with muslims? My problem is that while most sane Christians will admit the Bible has some not-entirely-true parts in the early chapters, I cannot find any Muslims to say the same for the Koran. p.s. this was in respect of the Koran's description of the Universe. Basically, the Koran tells us that outer space is a series of nested spheres. Yes, folks, Allah holds the medieval view of the Solar System, the one discredited by Newton! -------------------------------------------------------------------- and the Catholic church accepted the 'newtonian' solar system only 10 years ago. And the Catholic church is roughly 500years older. .... +++++++++++++++++++ I don't have the time to run to my copy of the Quran and look for page references, but the issue of 'spheres' (or what ever) can be looked at as 'dimensions' or levels. I've heard scientists talk of the possibility of parallel universes and the like. I don't see any problem with the issue of spheres. Again, no time to delve into the Quran, but from my readings at Uni, I recall a verse referring to life being created from water. As well, another verse depicting 'smoke' being asked to come together, willingly or unwillingly, to form the universe. Sounds a lot like the present idea of atoms gravitating towards one another to form planets and the like. The Quran isn't meant to be a science text. It is purported to be God whispering into Mohammads ear, via the angel Gabriel. Most of what 'Westerners' know about Islam is a product of a news media and other sources that are either racist or have an agenda to follow (big oil or the pro-Israel lobby). Like it or not, we'll have to learn to get along with a portion of society that comrises of over one billion (and growing fast). It's time to dump old racist and colonial attitudes or pay the consequences.
From: doctordickum [Stinkly Dickum MD]
Date: 9-Jul-2006 07:45
As well, I'm willing to bet that your knowledge of Arabic language, it's grammar and vocabulary is not very good. It's not bright to make pronouncments on a text on the basis of it's translation. Arabic language is very rich. One would have to be very qualified in the Arabic language before commenting on anything related to Quran. Comparing Quran and the Bible is like comparing eggs to oranges.
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)]
Date: 9-Jul-2006 08:57
I don't believe one needs to know the niceties of Arabic grammar to know that there is only one way to translate the phrases: "Kill the Infidel" "Kill the Unbeliever" "Kill the Apostate" "Kill all who resist the will of Allah!"
From: scarfface
[Schmutamongus]
Date: 9-Jul-2006 12:10
From: inthebeginning [(It Was Real Good)] "I don't believe one needs to know the niceties of Arabic grammar to know that there is only one way to translate the phrases: etc.." ...but you DO need to know the niceties of history to understand how the Quran has been interpreted in the past. History has been dotted with more war-slanted phases and more peaceable phases. Up until about 200 years ago, the peacful interpretations had predominated. The "kill" proclamations were put in during early war-like phases -- and were reasoned away by past practitioners as being a product of that history. Read the Bible sometime. Same shit. Christian moderates sweep that stuff (Leviticus) under the rug, talking about what things were like -- and try to give it historical context. Christian fundamentalists are the assholes that still believe in stoning gays, adulterers, etc. Just like fundamentalist Muslims. Folks that claim there are no moderate Muslims are just ignorant dipshits, being programmed by the "news". Moderates are everywhere (esp in Iran and Iraq... but also in the US and UK/Scandinavia, where they've been fleeing fucktards in the middle east).
From: petone9 [petone9]
Date: 9-Jul-2006 13:18
Many people use organized religion as a social network, or for entertainment, or as a socially acceptable form of self-medication. There must be just as many muslims in Iraq as there are christians in the US who wish all the religious fanatics would just shut up and go home and mind their own damn business. Suicide bombers in Baghdad. Fred Phelps (among MANY others) in the US. Excuse me for butting in. Please continue.
From: dennisisevil [Dennis]
Date: 10-Jul-2006 16:06
Funny how these assholes cry about someone throwing a pig's head into one of their mosques yet they have no problem with terrorists cutting off hostage's heads.
From: americanadian [Strong and Free]
Date: 12-Jul-2006 14:51
From: darkshadow [Dahhkness] Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:48 From: farcus Date: 6-Jul-2006 18:33 Simple solution,pack your shit up and leave.We don't like you raghead assholes in our fucking country. ______ And, I, of NATIVE American descent, do not like white people in this country either. Can I toss a head on your porch and then tell you if you dont' like it, you need to go back to Norway or Germany or wherever white people are from? That'd be nirvana. [quote] Not to be a bitch, but, are you 100% Aboriginal? Somehow, I doubt that. Now for bitch point #2, I'm a "native" of North America as well, I was conceived in the US of A and born in Canada. I am not a native of any other countries. Bitch point #3, even aboriginal peoples are immigrants, thousands of years ago. It's all semantics my friend...semantics. Practically every human on Earth emmigrated from someplace else. Aren't we actually from Africa, the cradle of humankind? Yep. Anyway, I think the guy is a bigot in this story, but I can't say I blame him all that much. I think the points made in this thread at the lack of outrage on the part of the Islamic community on the beheading of kidnap victims is verrryyyy important.
Updated: 15-Jul-2006 14:57
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