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Jane Doe rape kits
CNN | Submitted by: Raygunyouth
"Starting next year across the country, rape victims too afraid or too ashamed to go to police can undergo an emergency-room forensic rape exam, and the evidence gathered will be kept on file in a sealed envelope in case they decide to press charges."
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From: burritoxl [Vigi]
Date: 14-May-2008 13:44
this is so disturbing in so many levels. Can you imagine a person initiating in a relationship with another one who is a complete psycho and then, that person decides to collect your sperm in case shit gets rough to get your ass in jail claiming that it was rape!
From: seeteufel [ciccio]
Date: 14-May-2008 14:07
If you rape a hooker, is that considered rape or shoplifting?
From: ciaochowbella
[I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 14-May-2008 16:41
I think it's good idea, but how many women will still be ashamed and afraid to get even an anonymous rape exam? The doctors and nurses still see you. When I was raped, I was smart enough and mad enough to go right to the police and the hospital. Even though I knew it was the right thing to do and the doctors and nurses were very kind and gentle, it was still extremely embarrassing. My rapist was caught still at the scene and convicted quite handily. He's still in a Missouri prison. He was a serial rapist wanted in 3 states for forcible rape and sodomy. He won't ever see the light of day again.
From: snatchvondrippy [snatch]
Date: 14-May-2008 17:10
bella-i should like to demand details but would think it a bit insensitive of me. glad the fuck is in the brig and hopefully gettin his pink sock stuffed and wrung. good to see ye made it out alive-
From: studgerbil
[Stud]
Date: 14-May-2008 17:59
I can see that the forum gals are not addressing the possibility of future false incrimination, while the forum guys can think of nothing else. You have consensual sex with a woman even once, she goes to the ER claiming rape, but not wanting to press charges, they do the kit ... she owns you for life. I can't wait to see how this turns out over the decades.
From: snatchvondrippy [snatch]
Date: 14-May-2008 18:03
gerbsy-dinna be so hard on the fair sex- or be harder- one or t'other yer spooge is safe with me-lil behind both ears and i;m gut to go
From: tat2dchick
[The Tattooed Lady]
Date: 14-May-2008 18:30
Bella - Good for you for being tough enough to stand up for yourself and report that sorry piece of shit! Thanks to you he's now behind bars and not out raping other women...god only knows how many others you saved by being brave! Gerbil - I hear ya...but I honestly don't think this will increase false accusations. If some ignorant cunt is going to falsely accuse a man of rape I think it's most likely to happen in the heat of being pissed about something particular. And let's face it, it's so easy to get a man in bed she'll be able to fuck him and take in fresh "evidence" any old time. It might, however, buy a legitimate victim enough time to find the courage to do what Bella did and go to the police, face her attacker in court, etc.
From: ferret [Honkey Kong]
Date: 14-May-2008 18:42
 I'm always Rabid when it comes to Punishing Rapists, but to this Retro-Rape-Reporting, I must say No! I'm certain the intentions behind the Jane Doe school of wishy/washy sexual assault prosecution is all about collecting more samples to add to the National DNA Database; run Jane Doe's Rape Kit evidence collected from Dick Doe's anonymous donation in order to compare against other reported (or other unreported) attacks. Just because she doesn't press charges, doesn't mean the authorities are not allowed access to the alleged rapist's profile. Fundamentally, a woman Must press immediate charges against her rapist, so as not to allow him to terrorize one other person. Oh Yes, there will be litigious abuse of Jane Doe Rape Kits.
From: snatchvondrippy [snatch]
Date: 14-May-2008 19:34
ferret-yer so expansive of late -intriguing
From: ferret [Honkey Kong]
Date: 14-May-2008 19:47
All Good Things, Mr. SnatchyVonDrippyness.....all good things:( 
From: patsystonecheers
[Patsy Stone]
Date: 14-May-2008 20:03
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened] Date: 14-May-2008 18:28 Ladies, my rapist is now the daily victim of a nasty lifer with a crush on me. I put $20 on his books each month and he keeps rapey boy aired out. Revenge is so, so sweet. Talk about dirty deeds done dirt cheap. ------------------------------- WOW! I tip my hat to you. That revenge is a pure masterpiece! But how did you get the info on who is his bunk mate?
From: daredevil [CameronVale]
Date: 14-May-2008 20:52
'Rape' Adrienne Rich 'There is a cop who is both prowler and father: he comes from your block, grew up with your brothers, had certain ideals. You hardly know him in his boots and silver badge, on horseback, one hand touching his gun. And so, when the time comes, you have to turn to him, the maniac's sperm still greasing your thighs, your mind whirling like crazy. You have to confess to him, you are guilty of the crime of having been forced.' How profound! When Chaucer, Milton, Shakespeare, and Dickens are swept away; Toni Morrison ans Adrienne Rich are always there to pick up the slack!
From: ciaochowbella
[I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 14-May-2008 21:40
From: patsystonecheers [Patsy Stone] Date: 14-May-2008 20:03 From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened] Date: 14-May-2008 18:28 Ladies, my rapist is now the daily victim of a nasty lifer with a crush on me. I put $20 on his books each month and he keeps rapey boy aired out. Revenge is so, so sweet. Talk about dirty deeds done dirt cheap. ------------------------------- WOW! I tip my hat to you. That revenge is a pure masterpiece! But how did you get the info on who is his bunk mate? ------------------------ My pen-pal isn't his bunk mate....they're both in general population so access is pretty much unrestricted. Helps to have redneck cousins on the inside as well.....car thieves.....they beat his ass regular-like.
From: daredevil [CameronVale]
Date: 14-May-2008 23:33
Likely a self-absorbed, load of psycho-somatic bullshit conjured up by a Fruedian-gestalt charleton from the trace-memories of the 'trauma' inflicted upon an embryonic blastula. The loudest 'victim' is almost always the one most full of Munchhausen's. Tell it to reader's digest baby.
From: morte266
[Old and Tired]
Date: 15-May-2008 01:40
Bella: Interesting story.. I find the most interesting part to be this quote, however. "When I was raped, I was smart enough and mad enough to go right to the police" Interesting choice from a professed rabid cop hater. *blink* Or, more to the point, it is interesting that you are a rabid cop hater when the police seems to ahve been on the ball and there for you when you needed them. Hypocritical much?
From: cainmarko666
[cain marko]
Date: 15-May-2008 02:49
Everyone hates cops when they cite us, but we all love them when they find our bikes and what not. I myself hate laws that don't let me fukc jailbate but I love laws that say I can kick your ass @ my club the power of Authority is what "they" or "us" hate nothing personal. !
From: ciaochowbella
[I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 15-May-2008 07:44
Morte, not a whole lot of police work involved for the local donut brigade on that one......I called immediately after the attack and he was right where I'd left him, still naked and smoking a joint. The police didn't really have to do anything but cuff him and stuff him. I'm sure if rapey boy had left the scene, they'd never have caught him......as had happened for over 7 years in 2 other states. The police merely bagged him; I caught the bad guy. Also, at the time I was 21 and still naive enough to think the police were my friends. If it happened today, there would be no cops called and no rapist to convict....just a body to feed to the gators. Side note to the story: the police in their infinite sensitivity had a fucking news van waiting at the station when I got there and wanted me to do an interview praising them for catching this asshat. It was 2 hrs after the attack and 'shook up' didn't even BEGIN to cover how I felt and they wanted me to do an interview on camera as a rape victim. Fortunately, my mama stepped up and told them I was not some PR tool and they could take their interview and stick it where the sun don't shine.
From: morte266
[Old and Tired]
Date: 15-May-2008 09:29
So... He raped you.. then let you leave while he stayed in bed and smoked a joint. This is a serial rapist wanted in 2 states. Which means experienced at the whole rapey thing.... *blink* Why in the hell would he do that? It might have happened.. I'm not gonna say it didn't.. but the story doesn't make much sense. I think I'll have to go with DD on this one.
From: kuzzy
[Kuzzy]
Date: 15-May-2008 11:25
Gotta love the other thread where Bella is pleading that two wrongs dont make a right. I guess that doesnt apply if it benefits Bella. Glad to hear the "poor bastard" is getting the shit kicked out of him on a daily basis tho.
From: ciaochowbella
[I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 15-May-2008 12:14
Morte, from what I learned, none of his other victims had come forward as quickly as I did. I had police on the scene in less than 15 minutes. I don't many of the details of the other rapes he committed, but he was convicted of two in Arkansas and two in Oklahoma after I turned him in. I do believe being convicted of five rapes qualifies as a serial rapist. I do know he didn't beat the crap out of me like he did the others. Apparently not fighting him when he pulled out the gun was the right call. I think he felt that since he didn't have to beat me up, it wasn't a rape and therefore he didn't have to haul ass and get out of town. Who knows what goes on in the minds of some people.
From: bungmunch
[muncher of bung]
Date: 15-May-2008 12:24
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened] Date: 14-May-2008 16:41 I think it's good idea, but how many women will still be ashamed and afraid to get even an anonymous rape exam? The doctors and nurses still see you. When I was raped, I was smart enough and mad enough to go right to the police and the hospital. Even though I knew it was the right thing to do and the doctors and nurses were very kind and gentle, it was still extremely embarrassing. My rapist was caught still at the scene and convicted quite handily. He's still in a Missouri prison. He was a serial rapist wanted in 3 states for forcible rape and SODOMY He won't ever see the light of day again. ------------------ Cow, did he sodomize you or just fuck you? did he make you swallow a load what about assfucking? pearl necklace?
From: brutus [et tu Brutus?]
Date: 15-May-2008 15:40
The trick to telling a 'good' lie is to keep it simple. The more elaborate, detailed and fanciful it becomes, the more likely the liar is to get caught out.
From: roaddog [pclynn]
Date: 15-May-2008 17:31
What happens when a 'girlfriend' gets pissed off at loverboy for not cleaning up his mess or not having enough lead in his pencil to totally keep her satisfied and she decides she needs to get rid of the toad so she can fuck the young thoroughbred next door. So she bebops down to the local hospital crying she was 'forced' to fuck him. He goes to prison and becomes a bitch. She fucks the neighbor for awhile till something else new shows up. The ex-BF eventually gets out and has to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life along with society hating him for breathing oxygen. This 'kit' thing is good, but the repercussions could be devastating if used the wrong way.
From: morte266
[Old and Tired]
Date: 15-May-2008 18:04
I personally think it is possible that Bella was raped. I'm just leaning towards the opinion that the story has been added on to over the years so much that it only vaguely corresponds to the actual event. Maybe as a defense against feeling like a victim... maybe as a sympathy or attention need. Give it 10 years or so and the story will be that she wrestled the gun away from him and tied him to the bed... calling the police only to take out the garbage. Add in a few details about sodomizing him with his own weapon while the police were on their way... or holding the gun to his head and making him suck the load out of her snatch as pregnancy prevention. That way instead of feeling like a helpless victim, which she probably was, and facing the terror of being helpless, she can feel empowered from the experience. And of course basking in the attention of awed listeners doesn't hurt either. Then again the whole thing could be made up *shrug*. It just reads too much like a fantasy instead of reality. Sorry, Bella. Not even quality fantasy either. If you want a realistic empowered rape story to pass along I can probably write one up for you.. after all I write fiction as a hobby.
From: morte266
[Old and Tired]
Date: 15-May-2008 18:14
Now, back to the thread. This kit doesn't change anything, folks. All it does it perserve evidence. It isn't just a collection of semen. It is a full exam looking for bruising and trace evidence like fibers from carpet, clothing, etc. As it stands now a person can press charges for a misdemeanor up to a year after the event.. and a felony at least 2 years after the event. Though the longer you wait the less likely you are to be believed. The normal time between a female gettign raped and deciding to press charges is about a week, though. Time for them to get through the initial reactions and start thinking about it. We tyr to talk a rape victim into getting a kit done whether she wants to press charges or not, just so if she changes her mind we have the evidence on hand. It also allows her to get the morning after pill all in one stop.
From: snatchvondrippy [snatch]
Date: 15-May-2008 18:15
i abhor *winks*, *shrugs*, *blinks* et al {{{fap}}}
From: snatchvondrippy [snatch]
Date: 15-May-2008 18:17
will ye swab me, morte? bitte? *wink* *shrug* *snort* *boof* {if thars a hint o semen in thar-tis divine implantation indeed}
From: crnkybitch
[cranky bitch]
Date: 15-May-2008 18:21
I don't agree with a lot that Morte says, but I like to read his posts. Funny isn't it, that you would complain about his posting style, and yet defend your own against complaints from others?
From: morte266
[Old and Tired]
Date: 15-May-2008 18:27
*chuckle* Snatchy Actually I picked up the habit of doing those back when I used to play on a MUD. That was over a decade ago but the habit is still there when I send emails or I post.
From: specialkins [lowen]
Date: 15-May-2008 22:46
When you go to the hospital after being raped it's not supposed to be a quick swab and then you're out. They use a bit of wood to scrape as much evidence as possible out from under your fingernails (slight ow), they pull your pubic hairs, not just a couple, but FIFTY. PULL THEM(major ow). They take photographs of traumatized areas. You are likely swabbed THOROUGHLY (and not just in one hole), and who really wants more shit shoved up their hole(s) after it's already all torn the fuck up? Plus on top of all that, they of course have to take your clothes for evidence. I can see why any rape victim would be hesitant to have to undergo more painful shit immediately after being raped. I also see these procedures as major deterrents for girls who just feel like accusing someone who never did anything to them. They'd have to be fucked up bitches to undergo having 50 pubes plucked from their bodies and have photos taken of their genitals and swabs shoved up their vaginas and asses and have clothes confiscated from them. And how would you fake visual evidence of trauma? A false-accuser would have to have had rough consensual sex that resulted in bruising, reddening, swelling etc. or would have to do something to herself to make it look injured down there. While it's true that there are a few people who falsely accuse men of rape nowadays (and I hate those bitches because they make it harder on real victims), I should think it would be a rare occurrence that most men should never have to worry about. I also think that most nurses who would be doing the rape kit would be aware of the fact that people are worried that women will come in for future false-accusation swabs and be able to tell a fake rape victim from the real deal upon inspection. But men, I guess if you're REALLY worried about consensual partners turning around and using your jizz to put you in jail, use a condom every time. And no I don't know why they need to take so damn many pubes from the victim. If I got raped I would fucking hate that and probably refuse to let them do it. Swab me, take photos, fine, but OW. I guess it's good I keep mine *mostly* shaved, but I still have enough in my happy patch to give 'em 50. Maybe I should shave it all off. There have been lots of cold cases solved without lots of pube evidence, so seriously if I ever get raped, fuck them they can't have my pubes. :(
From: ferret [Honkey Kong]
Date: 16-May-2008 11:49
specialkins [lowen] Yes! Completely Naked Vulva! No Stupid Landing Strip No Stupid Hitler Moustache 
From: ferret [Honkey Kong]
Date: 16-May-2008 12:00
on a more somber note, in this sickening case of two white college girls both gang raped by black home invaders (and yes, race matters and has everything to do with it) one of the victims had been so ravaged as to make the examination too painful to complete:( http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20080503-9999-1m3mbrape.html
From: ferret [Honkey Kong]
Date: 16-May-2008 14:33
oh no, now the rapists are getting bikini wax http://www.cityofreno.com/Index.aspx?page=1422
From: fucktardmama [fook-me]
Date: 16-May-2008 14:40
From: studgerbil [Stud] Date: 14-May-2008 17:59 I can see that the forum gals are not addressing the possibility of future false incrimination, while the forum guys can think of nothing else. You have consensual sex with a woman even once, she goes to the ER claiming rape, but not wanting to press charges, they do the kit ... she owns you for life. I can't wait to see how this turns out over the decades. - - - - - - - - - - Stud I can understand your concern. But there is more to pressing charges in a rape case than just the rape kit. Seriously remember the Duke case? Those boys did get off and it was because the allegations were bullshit. - - - - - - - - - When I worked in the adult emergency room, pretty much the women brought in for rape kits were credible. When I worked in the pediatric emergency room, we had a boat load of 16 and 17 year old girls who were saying the were raped but as we further questioned them it was more "I might be pregnant and I don't want mom to find out". As far as collecting the kit, the SANE (sexual assault nurse examiner) or the female doctor collecting evidence talks to the victim through the whole thing. Clothes are not always taken. Undergarments generally are. The hospital I used to work in carried undergarments in varous sizes (right from the manufacturer in sealed packaging) to give to the victims to wear home. Pubic hairs sometimes are pulled, but that is actually going to the way side. A pubic comb is done if the woman's pubic area isn't shaved. Swabs are stuck into orafices, but not until fully explained to the victim what and why for. And if the victim says "no" then the swabs are not done. Rape kit collections used to be brutal. But ED's are working on minimizing further trauma to victims. Personally I always encouraged rape victims to have a kit done. I would always tell them if they decide not to press charges the kit is tossed. If they decide to press charges and it more than 72 hours after the assault, there is no more evidence.
From: dairyrotten [Dairy Rotten]
Date: 16-May-2008 15:03
Rape kit? something like this? 
Updated: 16-May-2008 15:04
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