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Fined $222,000 for sharing music
San Francisco Chronicle | Submitted by: anonymous
"Jammie Thomas, 30, a single mother from Brainerd, was ordered to pay the six record companies that sued her $9,250 for each of 24 songs they focused on in the case. They had alleged she shared 1,702 songs in all."
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From: wiegehtesdir [Jimmy Jingo]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 15:38
It sends me a message.....Boycott all music sales...That outta tech 'em...Don't ya know!
From: daredevil [CameronVale]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 15:59
Avaricious cock-gobblers.......everyone should shun ALL music sales; and begin a downloading frenzy that will put sweat under their balls! In fact, Iggy Pop has a new album out. Here I cum P2P!
From: useless2society [Useless II Society]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 16:00
Fucking Corporations. When they dismiss workers in an auto plant they never stop reminding them how obsolete they are and should look for new work or go back to college or something. Yet when their own business model goes obsolete, they go ballistic and arrest everybody instead of revising their business model. Fuck them. I stopped buying cds (at least new ones) years ago back when they first started this shit. I say stop buying music period. That'll show them. Poor Britney will lose billions.
From: ltjackboot
[name]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 16:24
HAZZA! My plan to bankrupt the world's record companies is right on track-oops! did I say that out loud?? WTF happened to that goddamn inner monologue I ordered? Seriously though, -I haven't paid to watch a movie since Crocodile Dundee came out and the cocksuckers wanted 3.15 CAN. for a 175 ml juicebox on top of the $10 admission (a total ripoff even then, I'm sure you'll all agree). -I haven't bought a cd since the black album by metallica (of course that effort WAS a half-assed sellout designed to appeal to FM radio listeners and not metallica fans, as has each album since it) -FUCK them till the only people making money from music is musicians. And FUCK them more till they stop fucking US at the box office. Oh sorry, I just like scoring shit for free, wrong forum.
From: rottendrew
[andrew]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 16:26
First we had records then 8 track then cassette Then its CDs Now its MP3 but don't worry folks cds are cheap and the price of music will come down. Do you remember that bullshit spewed by the recording and manufacturing industries? Do you realize that some of us have bought all 5 formats of the same artists? Add that total up! Blank Cds are cheap and i bet they cost less than a penny a piece when you buy a few million of them at a time. What they pay the artists compared to the total price of a new CD is probably a buck or two out of the 15 to 20 they are getting. They deserve to be screwed over for ripping everyone off since the 30s. I don't have a problem with people making money but come on now! When you feel two hands on your shoulders at the checkout you just know its not right. Ill never buy another CD EVER again because they are unfillable greedy pigs.
From: huwatng [Hue]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 16:27
Well, you can always go make your own music, if you don't mind listening to crap that sucks. If someone has the talent and time to make great music that lots of people love to hear, they sure as hell deserve every penny they can get for it. Period. Stealing music is no different than stealing cars or paper plates from WalMart, or beer from a bar. You want to steal a car? Well, you could always just walk or ride a bike, right? Why would anyone steal a car? Theft is theft.
From: nomdeplume [NomDeGuerre]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 16:31
Just desserts for the fucking music industry (the sharing, that is), shoving that crappy digital "perfect sound forever" CD muck down our throats all those years ago. And now they dare whine when it backfires! I'll just stick with my LP collection (3000+) anyway.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 16:37
...If someone has the talent and time to make great music that lots of people love to hear, they sure as hell deserve every penny they can get for it. Period. ... But do they deserve the pennies they CAN'T get? ...Stealing music is no different than stealing cars or paper plates from WalMart, or beer from a bar... Actually, it is. Somebody paid for that car, plate, or beer, and when you steal it, the previous owner no longer has it. If I could build a machine to replicate another Mustang, identical to the one I bought, and give it to someone, would I owe Ford?
From: daredevil [CameronVale]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 16:46
From: huwatng [Hue] -------------------------- It's not really the same at all; 'artists' (95% of whom suck) make mere shekels on album sales.......the bulk of the money is made at the live gate. The money goes to the jews in the Entertainment Industry. (geffen etc.)
From: snatchvondrippy [snatch]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 16:55
publish or perish tour or be poor
From: darkwolf [the Wolf with the nasty bite]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 17:19
I remember when cds first came out, 15 bucks a pop and soon skyrocketed to 20 bucks plus at FYE or Strawberries. Yea Best Buy sometimes has them about $5 less. Thank the gods that the music industry doesn't run the DvD one. I can get multi disk movies with all the outakes, extra footage etc for less than one cd. Most stuff out there is garbage at any rate. The true music fan completed his/her collection a long time ago.
From: mrsstipic [Mrs. Stipic]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 17:47
It's interesting that Sony raises such hell about downloading music while, at the same time, millions of people are burning their MP3's on Sony media using Sony drives and, often, Sony computers.
From: fucktardmama [fook-me]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 18:05
Boo frickety hoo. The hero single mother was doing something illegal, warned to stop, didn't and now has to pay the piper. Or should this victim be held out as an unsung hero who is being victimized by the man once again? Fuck her!
From: traumaphiliac [traumaphiliac]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 18:24
I have conflicting views here. On one hand the recording industry needs to get back just a LITTLE of the shit they've been handing us for the past 30 years or so. On the other hand, she is an indian.
From: sharkman69 [Me]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 20:20
Piss on her! She knew that what she was doing was both wrong and illegal, but she stole music anyways because she probably figured she wouldn't get caught, and if she did get caught, nothing would happen. I say make an example out of the rotten cunt, and anyone else who deprives people like me out of royalties from copyrights.
From: pontiuspilatus
[Pontius Phallus Pilatius]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 20:31
From: sharkman69 [Me] Date: 6-Oct-2007 20:20 Piss on her! She knew that what she was doing was both wrong and illegal, but she stole music anyways because she probably figured she wouldn't get caught, and if she did get caught, nothing would happen. I say make an example out of the rotten cunt, and anyone else who deprives people like me out of royalties from copyrights. ---------- Oh Jesus holy asshole infected son of an even more retarded half jewish muslim gay asshole! What's the difference if you sell 5 or 6 records? Oh, a lunch. A lunch for Sony.
From: sawgunner [Doug]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 20:38
Without intellectual property rights, you greatly hinder the motivation to create. If someone invents an item, should everyone just have the right to take the idea without compensating the inventor? The same applies to creative talent; they deserve to be compensated for their efforts. If you feel music companies make too much money, then don't buy their products. Otherwise, you are just making rationalizations for being a thief.
From: abluecommunist
[Red is for republicans, dammit!]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 21:05
I steal everything except for money. Most of my wardrobe is hot merchandise, as is my entire movie and game collection. Although I did just fork over 50 bucks for the collector's edition of World in Conflict...comes with a chunk of the Berlin wall. This commie just couldn't resist.
From: static
[arking quotes]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 21:59
Bluecommie/ ABlueCommunist Lives in Garden Grove California. Works at Subway. Supports Ron Paul for President. Libertarian. Great Aunt robbed of $50 worth of costume jewelry before being beat to death with a mini-sledge. Perpetrator got the needle. TSS has access to 'bluecommie' name. from bgolds profile
From: beavis4000 [Who?]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 22:25
From: useless2society [Useless II Society] Date: 6-Oct-2007 16:00 Fucking Corporations. I say stop buying music period. That'll show them. Poor Britney will lose billions. ----------------------- They just said on TV that Britney Spears is worth over $100 Million, and she took the last 3 years off. How the hell is the music industry hurting with singers making this much money and putting out total shit? Am I showing my age, or is it unanimous that Britney Spears puts out shit that's hardly worthy of downloading?
From: jimjones
[Purple Kool-Aid For All !!]
Date: 6-Oct-2007 23:25
Songs recorded in the studio should just be advertising for the bands. Download away! If the bands are any good they will make their money performing live. Fuck the labels and their overpriced discs. Especially fuck Sony and their rootkit virus laden discs! BTW there was a landmark copyright case in which an incredibly smart lawyer successfully argued that disputed music on a computer could have been RANDOMLY GENERATED instead of illegally copied. I wish I could remember where I read it....
From: powderedtoastman
[Michael]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 06:51
The underlying idea here really isn't all that wrong. Music costs money to make and more often than not it takes a lot of time and effort. I am sure most people here wouldn't want to work for free. Following that logic, isn't it wrong to expect to get something for free that others put a lot of work into creating? Just because digital music can easily be copied without quality loss, doesn't mean you have the right to do it without paying for it. On the other hand... $222,000 for 24 songs is ridiculous. The RIAA is making itself the Stella Liebeck of the music business here (you know, the elderly lady who got millions for spilling hot coffee on her lap). And I doubt it will deter internet users on a wider scale. If anything, it will teach them to "keep a low profile". Another point that is getting missed is that the recording industry was caught completely off guard by the epidemic of filesharing networks. For years, record companies had been too far up their own asses, charging insane amounts for CD albums and singles while the quality of their material was on a steady decline. Their business model provided no answer to the average music collector who was just after "that one song", but had no other way of getting it than shelling out for an entire album. They have caught on since, and paying 99 cents for a single song over the internet really doesn't spell financial ruin for most fans. But still, it was too little too late. It took the music industry over four years to come up with legal alternatives to the deluge of illicit music downloads. And now all they do is keep playing the blame game.
From: 1fatboy [jhancock]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 06:57
I see bankruptcy in someone's future. The record companies likely won't see a dime. I suppose they went after her on principle. I don't sue on principle, I want the goddamn money.
From: powderedtoastman
[Michael]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 07:05
nah, they don't really want to be compensated. 222,000 is about ten percent of what a low-level record industry executive makes a year. They couldn't care less if they're 200 grand short. In the greater scheme of things, it's a drop in the ocean. They want to destroy internet users for good financially. Unless a single mother wins the sweepstakes, hell will freeze over and thaw again before she'll be able to pay off that kind of money in a single lifetime.
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 08:41
Copywrite laws were originated to prevent plagiarism. Not line the pockets of corporations. Fuck the RIAA up the goat ass.
From: cageyb [Russian Secret Service]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 09:13
Am I the only one to notice that the record company's went after a complete gargoyle here. She's not about to get even half the sympathy that she would had she been a teen hottie with a body...Intentional??...Ya Think??
From: pontiuspilatus
[Pontius Phallus Pilatius]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 09:33
From: ciaochowbella [I didn't do it and I wasn't there when it happened] Date: 7-Oct-2007 08:41 Copywrite laws were originated to prevent plagiarism. Not line the pockets of corporations. Fuck the RIAA up the goat ass. ---------- Cupee writee? cowpay write? Kupiiii write? kopee write? Copyright you idiot. It's a right. It's a right to copy. Combine it: copyright. You fat, retarded crap. It's your language, it's not even mine! God I hate stupid people. And when they are ugly, I hate them more.
From: evildave [Evil Dave]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 11:06
The artist usually gets about a penny a track, or $0.15 per CD, on average. The rest goes to the corporation that took all that 'risk', what with the enormous cost of mastering a CD (which can be done on anybody's PC in five minutes, just so the irony of that statement is made clear), recording the tracks (OK, time consuming, but you only need a sound isolated room, some headphones, and a good sound card with the right software), and coming up with the sleeve art (photoshop) and mass producing the CD media its self (pennies each). But then there's owning the distribution channels to get it onto the store shelves, and the institutional 'payola' to make sure the crap songs that nobody likes get lots of air time and appear at an appropriate slot in the 'Top 10' list and get end caps in the retail stores. These last parts, along with the exclusive distribution deals with retail chains are the expensive thing that prevents a million other companies from being 'record producers'. Except then came the internet, and anybody who can slap up a web server with a 'paypal' script to take money can suddenly be in the 'record business'. Of course, the fact that copyright laws are absolutely alien to the original concept, where like patent laws, they were a LIMITED exclusive license. Now there are whole corporations whose only reason for existing is to squat on patents and 'intellectual property' (i.e. books, music, etc.) copyrights forever, such that they own pieces of our culture long after the original artists drop dead from an overdose. It's not just the 'recording' industry behind this, though they're the biggest player. And yes, there are similar legal battles in progress to literally make public libraries illegal. At least to make having any 'copyrighted' works in the public library illegal, so we'd have to remove any book that has a current copyright, similar to the same problems faced by 'Google Books' and 'Project Gutenberg'. Naturally since you can never tell whether a copyright was extended or not, the dates on the inside covers of books are meaningless, so you have to RESEARCH every single title, no matter how old (at a substantial cost) to make sure it isn't still copyrighted by someone, somewhere. Copyrights should last exactly as long as patents. 20 years. After that, they're public domain. It's the only thing that makes sense. You look at the 'Copyright Date', add 20 years to it, and if that's in the past, everybody owns it. Just like a patent, you gained that LIMITED protection at the cost of knowing that 20 years after it was published, it would be everybody's. If you want to earn money 'forever', you'd better be forever coming up with new works. Of course, those who hold patents (especially those who squat patents) are lobbying to make patents infinitely extendable like copyrights. So once somebody gets some half-baked and poorly worded software compression patent awarded that lawyers and laypeople can't understand, they can sue people for using anything remotely like it - FOREVER.
From: gargoyle1
Date: 7-Oct-2007 11:46
From: cageyb [Russian Secret Service] Date: 7-Oct-2007 09:13 Am I the only one to notice that the record company's went after a complete gargoyle here. She's not about to get even half the sympathy that she would had she been a teen hottie with a body...Intentional??...Ya Think?? ============ Hey, no one went after me, that I know of anyhow. Please let me know though, I want to make sure my guns are clean and loaded if they do show up unannounced.
From: sharkman69 [Me]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 12:31
Songs recorded in the studio should just be advertising for the bands. Download away! If the bands are any good they will make their money performing live. Fuck the labels and their overpriced discs. Especially fuck Sony and their rootkit virus laden discs! **************************************************************************** So, a guy like me who sits down and writes a song, but someone else performs and sells the song, should not get compensated for my work? I wish that everyone who illegally downloads music would work for my business for free, since they seem to feel that people shouldn't get paid for their work.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 15:35
...Copyrights should last exactly as long as patents. 20 years. After that, they're public domain.... I like that. At least 95% of my music collection is over 20 years old.
From: walabio [Ŭalabio‽]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 15:42
¡Screw the RIAA! Recordcompanies cheat artists out of their royalties using creative accounting. artists only get a percentage of the net and according to the accountants, the they never break even. Artists only earn money from touring. They charge consumers outrageously. A CD costs less than a dollar to make. By the time it makes it through the distrabutionchain, it should cost 5‒10 U$D (ten dollars for hot and new and five dollars for old and on clearance). Back in the 1990s, over a dozen years ago, the Electronic Frontier-Foundation (eff.org) came up with a solution: If people would pay 5 U$D/month into a fund and then be aloud unlimited downloading. The artists would be compentated statistically. This is the same system used for radio. This would be a triple win: 0 - It would not only compensate artists, but more than double their royalties. 1 - It would force the RIAA out of business. 2 - As long consumers pay the fee, they get unlimited access to all music ever created and when they decide that their collection is complete, they can keep the music they already downloaded. The RIAA has always fought this tooth and nail. They want to stay in business. Consumers and artists would be better off without the RIAA.
From: computarman [James]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 15:59
Jammie won't be jamming much to free tunes nowadays- I would imagine. Back in the napster days it was obvious that the free ride would not last. Althought the chances are remote of getting sued I don't want to take the chance. Peer to peer music sharing is in the crosshairs. The Russian sites are still online, cheap and dubiously legal. Personally the chances of me walking into Walmart and buying a CD are slim to none. I like very little newer music and the RIAA pissed me off enough years ago to the point I vowed to never buy another CD unless it was used because I know they make no money off of used CD's.
From: traumaphiliac [traumaphiliac]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 18:22
Everybody bitching about people d/l is affecting their music sales, yeah right. Like any of you would ever be picked up by a major label. Do like radiohead and release your own stuff. As an artist I'd be proud as hell that ppl would download my stuff. I don't create art for money in the first place.
From: brainspore [Brainspore]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 19:48
From: aulduron [Aulduron] Date: 6-Oct-2007 16:05 Music, or any art, is not worth paying for. -------- I think these music companies are litigious assholes who are completely overreacting and U.S. copyright law could use a good overhaul, but it would be silly to get rid of ALL intellectual property rights laws. Artists who produce work that people want deserve to get paid for their efforts.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 20:09
I never advocated any such thing. I merely gave my opinion on their works. I've not seen nor heard any art on which I'd spend my money.
From: technodestructo [technodestructo]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 20:12
It isn't about "hurr, I want something for nothing!" It's about I want the freedom to find stuff that *I* like, not what the music industry WANTS me to like. Radio has been lobotomized and neutered. Even college radio. (And what the hell is wrong with 90% of the NPR stations in this country that they think they're only allowed to run news and classical music? The one in my home town had a goddamn RAP show.) As late as the early 90s, I could still hear interesting new music, or stuff I'd just never heard or appreciated before, but now it's a couple dozen old songs on the classic rock stations, and what seems like maybe dozen songs on any new music stations, repeated all day, every day. And the new music mostly sucks. This is not because good new music has not been coming out, even on RIAA labels. They would just rather distribute a dozen popular artists than a thousand niche ones. EVERY CD I bought after 1998 was because I had ILLEGALLY downloaded an artist's music, or heard their music on an illegal internet radio station. EVERY LAST ONE. From 1995 to 2000, I bought only 1 CD, because all my favorite artists released shitty albums, and radio let me down in finding new ones. THE ONLY REASON I WAS A CUSTOMER FROM 2000 TO 2004 IS BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL FILE SHARING. I'm not paying a buck a song for stuff I've never heard. I'm not paying 15 dollars for an album I've never heard any of. And when traditional channels are flooded with nothing but pablum, I'm not paying anything for any of the music I HAVE heard, because I don't even want it FOR FREE. Now, I only listen to new music illegally, and I only BUY music direct from the artists.
From: wulfgarthewhite [Black to White]
Date: 7-Oct-2007 20:49
FUCK MEGA-KORP! Music is NOT that hard to make. Pick up a guitar, fipple-flute [recorder] or a fiddle and learn to play it [yes you can]. Real hand-made music, alone or with your friends, is so much more gratifying than the over-hyped, over-produced trash that Korp over-charges you for you'll wonder why anybody would even waste a Watt-hour on it.
From: pontiuspilatus
[Pontius Phallus Pilatius]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 01:02
So, a guy like me who sits down and writes a song, but someone else performs and sells the song, should not get compensated for my work? I wish that everyone who illegally downloads music would work for my business for free, since they seem to feel that people shouldn't get paid for their work. ------------- Retard of the week. PLEASE make sure your "written" song is nowhere near the sites I visit. Fucking idiot. As someone said very well, you don't make Art to make money. It's a nice byproduct if you get lucky. Fucking idiot "writing songs". Is that your job? So what do you sing about? Not getting paid? Retarded fuck. Go fuck the cow.
From: larsvargas [Lars]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 03:26
New music and movies are so terrible that I wouldn't even waste hard drive space downloading that crap. I download alot of comedy tho, and you're hard pressed to find anything newer than Bill Cosby in a regular store.
From: mcgyver [Steve]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 04:52
Don't Download This Song - Weird Al Yankovic Once in a while Maybe you will feel the urge. To break into national copyright law By downloading mp3s From file sharing sites Like Morpheus, or Grokster, or LimeWire, or Kazaa. But deep in your Heart. You know the guilt would drive you mad And the shame would leave a permanent scar Cause you start out stealing songs Then you’re robbing liquor stores And selling Crack And running over school kids with your car [Chorus] So Don’t Download This Song The record store is where you belong Go and buy the CD like you know that you should Oh Don’t Download This Song Oh you don’t want to mess With the R I Double A They’ll sue you if you burn that CD-R. It doesn’t matter if you’re a grandma Or a seven year old girl They’ll treat you like the evil Hard-bitten criminal scum you are [Chorus] So Don’t Download This Song (don’t go) Pirating music all day long Go and buy the CD like you know that you should Oh Don’t Download This Song Don’t take away money From artists just like me How else can I afford another solid gold Hum V And diamond studded swimming pools These things don’t grow on trees So all I ask is everybody Pleaseeeeee [Chorus] Don’t Download This Song (Don’t do it No No) Even Lars Urlich Know it’s wrong (You could just ask him) Go and buy the CD like you know that you should (You Really Should) Oh Don’t Download This Song Don’t Download This Song (Oh please don’t you do it or you) Might Wind up in Jail like Tommy Chong (Remember Tommy) Go and buy the CD (Right Now) like you know that you should (Go out and Buy it) Oh Don’t Download This Song. Don’t Download This Song (No no no no no no) Or you’ll burn in hell before to long (And you deserve it) Go and buy the CD (Just buy it) like you know that you should (You cheap bastard)
From: clenis [its ALL my fault]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 05:36
"Music, or any art, is not worth paying for." You really say some strange things sometimes. Can you please tell me who has the more important role in a healthy society, an engineer or an artist?
From: cynicatheart [youwouldntknow]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 05:39
Hoodathunkit?? I bet the first caveman (or woman, just to be politically-fukking-correct)that banged a bone on a hollow log never thought it would lead to this Corporate-Amerika-Fukks-The-Little-Guy shit!! If you wanna write or play muzik, go right the fuk ahead! If you wanna get paid for it, get famous and go on tour. If you wanna shove yer greedy, grubby, money-fukking-hungry handz in MY pockets because I "stole" a copy of yer shitty muzuk, you can go fuk yerself with a sandy broomstick!! How come Corporate-Fukking-Amerika doesn't prosecute everyone who has ever re-recorded a vinyl album onto a casette for a friend?? Fukking greedy bastardz!!
From: clenis [its ALL my fault]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 05:54
"Fucking idiot "writing songs". Is that your job? So what do you sing about? Not getting paid?" Actually Mr. Pilot, there are alot of people who are professional "song writers". People with a talent for music. TV commercials, film scores, department store muzak, whatever. So what if they commercially whore their talents. Better than digging holes in the road for a living. And they should be paid for it too.
From: brainspore [Brainspore]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 07:58
From: aulduron [Aulduron] Date: 7-Oct-2007 20:09 I never advocated any such thing. I merely gave my opinion on their works. I've not seen nor heard any art on which I'd spend my money. ------- Then you have my pity. I can't imagine how boring my life would be without music, film, art or literature.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 09:49
... I can't imagine how boring my life would be without music, film, art or literature. ... OK, you got me. I pay for books, though I only buy a couple each year since I got internet access, instead of a couple week, like I used to. Of course, I've never heard an author refer to themself as an artist. However, I can hear music, see paintings, and watch films without paying or stealing. I never said there shouldn't be artists in the world, just that I wouldn't pay for their works. ...Can you please tell me who has the more important role in a healthy society, an engineer or an artist?... Well, I'd pay to have a bridge, or house designed, but I wouldn't pay to have someone sing me a song, or paint me a picture. Life would be more boring without artists (it's really boring even with artists) but I'd die of exposure without engineers. Art can be defined in many ways. IMO, somebody who pours their soul into their work is an artist. An engineer can be an artist, so can a ditch digger, a cook, or a carnival game agent. Not all painters or songwriters are artists.
From: brainspore [Brainspore]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 10:08
From: aulduron [Aulduron] Date: 8-Oct-2007 09:49 ... I can't imagine how boring my life would be without music, film, art or literature. ... OK, you got me. I pay for books, though I only buy a couple each year since I got internet access, instead of a couple week, like I used to. Of course, I've never heard an author refer to themself as an artist. ------ Are you saying you've never bought a record, 8-track, cassette tape, CD, DVD, poster, concert or movie ticket? Weird. In any case it's a relief to see that you agree on principle that intellectual property has monetary worth, even if you are highly selective on what you choose to buy.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 10:26
No, not never, I bought them as a kid, but not since I learned the value of a dollar. Everything has monetary worth, as long as someone is willing to pay for it. Even New Yorkers shit has monetary value to Alabama farmers. I'm just not willing to pay for those things. A cruise ship is worth plenty, to a cruise line, but even if I got one for free, I'd never use it. It has no value to me, except that I can sell it to someone else who values it more than I do. Gold, and other jewelry, has great monetary worth, I've bought plenty (at greatly reduced cost) but I don't wear it. To me, it's only good for selling, or giving away. The only jewelry I've ever worn was my wedding ring.
From: brainspore [Brainspore]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 10:42
OK Auldy, I was just wondering how you would resolve these two statements, both made by you in the course of the same thread: 1. "Music, or any art, is not worth paying for." 2. "Everything has monetary worth, as long as someone is willing to pay for it." Surely you must concede that those statements would at least APPEAR to be contradictory in nature, your personal taste in art or music notwithstanding.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 10:56
One is my opinion, one is a stated fact. If I had said "Music, or any art, is not worth it for me pay for." would that be better? (sentence structure and gammer notwithstanding)
From: brainspore [Brainspore]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 11:34
From: aulduron [Aulduron] Date: 8-Oct-2007 10:56 One is my opinion, one is a stated fact. If I had said "Music, or any art, is not worth it for me pay for." would that be better? (sentence structure and gammer notwithstanding) ------- Yes, that makes much more sense, though frankly I find it a little difficult to believe. I was just trying to figure out where the heck you stand on this topic.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 12:03
Where I stand is: since the plaintiffs suffered no actual loss of something they already had, neither should the defendant.
From: sawgunner [Doug]
Date: 8-Oct-2007 12:51
Wow, such economic geniuses. Corporations are evil and greedy, musicians should provide their music for free, it's okay to steal intellectual property, etc., etc. Nice to know there will always be people working at the drive-through when I'm in a hurry at lunchtime.
From: sp00k
Date: 8-Oct-2007 13:19
The recording industry hopes $222,000 will be enough to dissuade music lovers from downloading songs from the Internet without paying for them. And if that doesn't work.... 
From: clenis [its ALL my fault]
Date: 9-Oct-2007 01:32
"Well, I'd pay to have a bridge, or house designed, but I wouldn't pay to have someone sing me a song, or paint me a picture." Sorry, but that mkes it sound like you've never paid to go see a live band, or paid to get into an art museum. I, on the other hand, living in europe, regularly and willingly give good money out for both. And I pay my taxes, and expect to have a bridge.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 9-Oct-2007 11:59
As I said earlier; I have, in the past, paid to see concerts. Now I'm grown up. The museums here are paid for with tax money. You don't have to pay at the door, but I still have no interest in seeing them, again. If the State owns the bridge, taxes or tolls pay for it. If I own the bridge, I'd pay for it.
From: clenis [its ALL my fault]
Date: 10-Oct-2007 00:35
"As I said earlier; I have, in the past, paid to see concerts. Now I'm grown up." Fuck man. Im sincerely sorry to hear that. But not so grown up that you can leave a computer alone.
From: aulduron
[Aulduron]
Date: 10-Oct-2007 10:25
What's there to be sorry about? Concerts are for kids. Why would I want to hang out with tens of thousands of drunk/stoned kids, crammed into a stadium? Going to concerts has impaired my hearing. All the good bands are dead. Even the couple of good, old bands, who occasionally still tour, are full of kids. There's nothing at a concert for a 40 something, like me. Even in my late 20s, I felt like a grandpa at concerts. My computer is a tool, that also provides far more entertainment for the money. If I feel like hearing music, watching a TV show, or a movie, or see the Mona Lisa, it's all right here in this box I paid a couple hundred bucks for.
Updated: 12-Oct-2007 14:47
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